Monday, March 01, 2010

Proposal: Abstention fix

Self-killed. Josh

Adminned at 03 Mar 2010 11:37:02 UTC

Replace the first sentence of rule 1.4 voting with “Any Commoner may cast his Vote on a Pending Proposal by making a comment on that entry using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, DEFERENTIAL, or ABSTAIN.”
To that rule, add the following:

 

When calculating Quorum for the purpose of enacting a proposal, Commoners (including the Mad Prince) who vote ABSTAIN on a proposal do not count as Commoners.

Replace

 

A vote of DEFERENTIAL is a vote of no opinion, or of faith in the decision of the Mad Prince. The vote will count as the same as the Mad Prince’s vote. If the Mad Prince casts a vote of DEFERENTIAL on a proposal, it serves the purpose of cancelling any previous vote on that proposal that was cast by the Mad Prince. If there is no Mad Prince, a vote of DEFERENTIAL counts as an explicit vote of abstention.

with

 

A vote of DEFERENTIAL is a vote of faith in the decision of the Mad Prince. The vote will count as the same as the Mad Prince’s vote. If the Mad Prince casts a vote of DEFERENTIAL on a proposal, it serves the purpose of cancelling any previous vote on that proposal that was cast by the Mad Prince. If there is no Mad Prince, a vote of DEFERENTIAL counts as a vote of ABSTAIN.

repropose: replace “Quorum is treated as one lower for the purposes of enacting or failing a given proposal for every Commoner who votes ABSTAIN on that proposal.” with “When calculating Quorum for the purpose of enacting a proposal, Commoners (including the Mad Prince) who vote ABSTAIN on a proposal do not count as Commoners”

Im sorry, my first Proposal to this Dynasty is just a fix, but - to find an excuse - I was thinking about that Trade Proposal and I propose the “Abstain” idea some days ago in IRC, too… So, dont call me a “Fix-grabber” or sth. like that ;)

Comments

Josh:

03-01-2010 20:12:55 UTC

against Not a big fan tbh. From the voter side, it doesn’t really do much - unless you’re not planning to vote for the next seven days’ worth of proposals, this earns you nothing, and for that reason I doubt that many would use it. From the quorum side there’s a couple of problem - not least of which being that you can vote ABSTAIN, then switch votes, while the quorum stays at its lower rate - but I’d probably vote against even if that was fixed as this just seems like a solution in search of a problem.

ais523:

03-01-2010 20:16:51 UTC

against I don’t really see the point.

Hix:

03-01-2010 21:10:10 UTC

against I’d rather simply abstain than vote :ABSTAIN:.  Who cares if I’m keeping the Quorum up?

Anonyman:

03-01-2010 21:21:46 UTC

imperial
Utter apathy here.

Darknight:

03-01-2010 22:25:12 UTC

against Per Hix. I didn’t vote on DC’s list of stuff proposal, only because I really didn’t feel like reading all of it atm, and I’ll prob do it again down the line.

Klisz:

03-02-2010 02:50:59 UTC

against

yabbaguy:

03-02-2010 04:03:11 UTC

for

At least put in some option to unvote. Empty blue checkbox on the unresolved proposals is perfect icon for this.

Maybe consider a proposal “hammered” the instant the quorum is reached to prevent this?

Klisz:

03-02-2010 04:04:55 UTC

@yabbaguy: You could always just vote DEFERENTIAL.

Ienpw III:

03-02-2010 04:34:39 UTC

What if you don’t /want/ to defer?

Klisz:

03-02-2010 04:37:10 UTC

Why wouldn’t you want to defer?

Kevan:

03-02-2010 10:12:56 UTC

against Seems inelegant to have both ABSTAIN (“count my vote as whatever the majority thinks”) and DEFERENTIAL (“count my vote as whatever the Emperor thinks”). And if we only had one, the second would be more useful.

Qwazukee:

03-02-2010 12:56:26 UTC

against Same reason as Hix

lordcooper:

03-02-2010 14:29:31 UTC

against

Keba:

03-02-2010 21:44:51 UTC

Hm, you convinced me to a imperial vote, which would mean, that I am imperial self kill my proposal. So I vote :ABSTAIN: :D

Seriously: S/K against

Ienpw III:

03-03-2010 05:11:32 UTC

The precedent is that a imperial vote cannot cause a self-kill.