Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Admin abuse?

So what’s going on with Arthexis having a proposal deleted and someone adding lolspeak to someone else’s proposal, then? Is our blog haunted?

Comments

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 00:53:35 UTC

These have been going on for a long time. Someone also pretended to be me and to be Rodlen recently. And more had been done before that.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 00:54:34 UTC

And someone closed the CFJ. Alt f people thought that I was doing this w/ my glitch powers, but they aren’t that powerful.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 00:55:29 UTC

Excuse me. “Alot of” was what I meant to say instead of Alt f.

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 01:01:50 UTC

“Alot” isn’t a word. I can’t believe you got an A in English last semester.

Yeah Kevan, this has been ongoing. Nothing terrible, just a lot of meaningless interference.

I like your use of links, btw.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 01:10:11 UTC

“btw” isn’t a word. It’s a time-saving “abbreviation”. But I do like Kevan’s use of links.

Klisz:

01-28-2009 01:12:15 UTC

I just adminned the illegally-edited proposal.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 01:15:19 UTC

Stop doing that. You will encourage the abusive admin.

Klisz:

01-28-2009 01:16:22 UTC

...stop doing what? Adminning illegal proposals?

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 01:19:10 UTC

. . . You linked to the page we’re already on?

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 01:28:23 UTC

@Darth: Adminning proposals that were edited by an outside source. It was not vetoed, no one approved the illegal edit. Just undo the edit.

Kevan:

01-28-2009 01:53:38 UTC

I’ve returned the proposal to the queue, against Darth’s illegal adminning of it.

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 02:01:47 UTC

Hmm, that had been done in the past without complaint. . . .

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 02:03:11 UTC

Adminning proposals as illegal, that is.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:11:10 UTC

This was done when Rodlen edited proposals without trying to hide his identity. He was subsequently rebuked and he stopped doing it. Thisnew person is annonymously editing proposals even after warned that it was illegal.

Kevan:

01-28-2009 02:14:08 UTC

Either nobody realised or nobody minded, when Rodlen was doing it.

But if a proposal is “illegally edited”, it means that there’s no legal way it could have gotten to that new state - we should just revert it to how it was before, rather than taking it at face value. (The same way that if you illegally add “I win!” to the ruleset, we don’t have to make a proposal to delete it; from the game’s perspective, it was never there.)

If admin genuinely could remove illegally edited proposals from the queue, then they could personally veto pending proposals, as well as CfJs and DoVs.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:15:47 UTC

Right.

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 02:18:30 UTC

Hmmm.

Amnistar:

01-28-2009 02:21:44 UTC

Kevan, if it gets worse do we want to reduce number of Admins?  or do you think the issue is from non-admins?

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 02:23:29 UTC

Non-admins can’t edit other peoples’ proposals, only their own.

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 02:23:49 UTC

At least, so far as I can tell.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:33:09 UTC

Qwaz is right. I can only mess w/ my own stuff. And I have a suspicion that the abusive admin is Idle right now.

Rodlen:

01-28-2009 02:44:51 UTC

Lets see…when I edit things, I don’t even try to disguise my identity.  That wouldn’t be fun.  However, I have been impersonated before, and there is no way to trace editing.  This is BAD.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:47:26 UTC

Is there a way to add a track for edits?

Rodlen:

01-28-2009 02:47:35 UTC

It seems that I started a trend with my RODLAN WUZ HAIRs…one that is unfortunately unstoppable…drastic measures may be required.

Rodlen:

01-28-2009 02:48:41 UTC

Wak: As far as I know, no.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:49:41 UTC

Maybe 75th Trombone can help?

Klisz:

01-28-2009 02:51:02 UTC

Alright, editor admin. If you do this again, we’re going to begin proposing to remove untrustworthy admins from their posts.

Klisz:

01-28-2009 02:51:20 UTC

Posted at the same time as Wak.

Rodlen:

01-28-2009 02:52:28 UTC

I’ll PM Trombone about this.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:52:49 UTC

You realize that as one of the newest admins, you are at the top of the list of “untrustworthy admins”? There is no way to tell who is a good admin and who is not. I say just keep undoing what they mess up untill they give up.

Wakukee:

01-28-2009 02:53:19 UTC

Posted at the same time as Rodlen.

Rodlen:

01-28-2009 02:55:00 UTC

Sent.

Klisz:

01-28-2009 02:55:32 UTC

I’m with Wak on this.

Klisz:

01-28-2009 02:56:20 UTC

Posted at the same time as Rodlen.

Qwazukee:

01-28-2009 03:02:54 UTC

I trust DC, I can’t actually see him or any of these Staffers doing anything they thought destructive. I just don’t understand.

Yoda:

01-28-2009 03:28:51 UTC

I thought we bit this in the bud already…  *sigh*

Darknight:

01-28-2009 04:31:31 UTC

Man I’m always missing these chats. And I agree that this is getting to be a pain in the butt. Though it only really started when the brothers joined, not saying they’re doing it.