Monday, February 02, 2009

Proposal: I’ve Had Enough

Cannot be enacted without CoV -Darth

Adminned at 02 Feb 2009 14:35:40 UTC

The ruleset clearly states

A single person may not control more than one Member of the Staff within BlogNomic. If anybody is suspected of controlling more than one Member of the Staff, then a Proposal may be made to remove any number of such Member of the Staff from the game, and to bar the perpetrator from rejoining.

Both Wakukee and Qwazukee have, at multiple times, admitted to posting on the other person’s account. By the above rule, this falls under a single person controlling more than one member of the staff. They have continued to do this, even after we have told them to stop. (See Wakukee’s comment in the “WAAAAAH ARTH IS A LIAR” thread where Quack says he is posting instead.) To be honest, neither has provided much benefit to the game and have just been a giant annoyance for many of the players here. There was a time when we didn’t have to worry about people on blognomic exploiting EE for their own personal benefit, or throwing a pissy-fit just because something didn’t add up. Neither Wakukee or Qwazukee have shown to me that they are all that worth keeping around. Sure I’m being harsh—but slapping trolls with a stick doesn’t accomplish anything.

Ban Wakukee and Qwazukee from Blognomic.

Comments

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 07:05:18 UTC

If you are going to ban me, so be it, jerk. But leave Qwaz alone. He has done nothing.

Rodlen:

02-02-2009 07:06:04 UTC

imperial *sighs*

RODLAN LEVES DIS TO ARTHY.

Clucky: he/him

02-02-2009 07:06:45 UTC

Except post under your account, which is a banable offense.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 07:08:29 UTC

against I won’t defer to him until he admits to mistake with his hints, and will not defer to him at all if he has been lying.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 07:44:00 UTC

Let me explain how unreasonable this is. Following your logic, Rodlen should be banned because he “controlled” other players by editing their comments and posts. Also, any players whose posts/comments he edited should also be banned, as they are controlled by Rodlen.

Igthorn:

02-02-2009 08:07:20 UTC

Ah, no, not quite.

A question - How do we know that there are two independent players?

I’m on the fence here since I haven’t experienced all the problems - I’ll commit myself to a vote later

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 08:15:34 UTC

Here is a link to when this was first brought up: http://blognomic.com/archive/banhammer

arthexis: he/him

02-02-2009 08:17:57 UTC

for I must make a personal comment here:

I have a RL friend whom has payed here before, and I explicitly told him not to play through this dynasty. Why? Because he sometimes comes to my house and I let him use one of my computers. Furthermore, it would have been easier for him to learn the secret theme too. I wanted to avoid such a conflict of interests before it happened, so I had to draw a line.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 08:43:04 UTC

So if he has been on your computer, why aren’t you and him getting banned? This isn’t a bannable offence, Clucky is just mad at me!

arthexis: he/him

02-02-2009 08:55:26 UTC

He did just once and I told him not to ever log in to Blognomic from my house again.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 09:03:54 UTC

OK. I hereby pledge never to post as Qwazukee. He should make a similar pledge when he next gets on blognomic.

Darknight: he/him

02-02-2009 09:08:06 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

02-02-2009 12:31:27 UTC

against Although Wakukee’s “by entering some invalid HTML, I have broken your game with my glitch admin powers!” script-kiddie attitude is wearing very, very thin.

Sparrow:

02-02-2009 12:39:55 UTC

against

I highly recommend that they place by their machine a NOTE or a CHECKLIST they cannot avoid seeing when they sit down to play.

Sparrow:

02-02-2009 12:40:46 UTC

Tape it to the monitor if necessary.

Igthorn:

02-02-2009 13:18:25 UTC

against

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 13:19:45 UTC

@Kevan: I may not be breaking the game, but glitch powers really are real, glitched.

Clucky: he/him

02-02-2009 15:10:33 UTC

@Kevan: So how long are we going to tolerate their “script-kiddie” behavior?

Klisz:

02-02-2009 16:23:46 UTC

against  against  against  against  against

Wooden Squid:

02-02-2009 17:18:21 UTC

for

Amnistar: he/him

02-02-2009 17:59:05 UTC

for

I’m sorry, but you are intentioanlly seeking out glitches in the system, or at least, it seems that way.  In addition you seem to be simply whinning when the game doesn’t go your way, and seem upset that you haven’t already won the game, when you’ve only been playing for 2 dynasties.  the immature behavior, along with the fact that I’m never really sure which of you two are posting at any given time, makes me sadly have to agree with this.

Kevan: he/him

02-02-2009 18:34:02 UTC

[Wakukee] I realise the distinction, but you seem to be bundling it all together as your l33t glitch hacking powers, breaking things for the sake of it, and expecting the other players to be impressed by your skill and daring.

Hacking around with the rules, within the rules, would be fine, and is a healthy and valuable Nomic skill, but “Hey, if I feed this unexpected data into the GNDT, does it break it? Yes! Hey guys, I’ve broken the GNDT and can’t update it any more, someone might want to fix that.” just wastes other players’ time and annoys them. You need to focus on hacking around inside the game, not on the periphery.

Rodlen:

02-02-2009 20:31:25 UTC

However, the invalid HTML was an accident.  It has happened before.  This time, it affected the GNDT badly, fucking it up.

However, the rules say no playing as two staff members, so what Wakky and Qwazy often do is illegal, and a bannable offence.

IM WIT ARFAZIS HARE.

Qwazukee:

02-02-2009 21:21:15 UTC

against

There is no reason for me to be a part of this proposal. I have never used EE innapropriately. I have never broken the game.

I have never “controlled” Wak, although I have accidentally posted as him a few times.

I have contributed to the ame of blognomic as a participant with individual beliefs and voting pattern, although I’m not much for making new proposals.

I’m sure some of you confuse me with Wakukee, so please, by all means, before you ban me for his actions, check my record. I’ve never done anything I considered “bad” or “illegal” and I deeply regretted the one DoV I made, as soon as I found out that type of thing was frowned upon.

This is the 4th or 5th time a proposal has been made trying to ban Wak and Qwazukee at the same time. I am a separate entity from Wakukee. If you have a grievence with me, I will be perfectly willing to address any such problem. Please do not judge me based on what another’s actions.

Qwazukee:

02-02-2009 21:25:59 UTC

To Clucky: I’m sorry that you do not feel I’ve been a valuable member of Blognomic. I have devoted my time to Blognomic because I enjoy it. I believe I have been a benefit rather than a detriment most of the time.

I have never messed with EE; please do not use that as a reason for banning me.

I have never thrown a pissy fit in this game; check my posts if you don’t believe me.

I think you will have no problem discerning the fact that Wak and I are separate peole, and that I have no ability to control him (in Blognomic or in real Life). We are extremely different.

If you still believe that it is necessary to ban me, I disagree with you, but please, judge me on my own merits.

Amnistar: he/him

02-02-2009 22:03:44 UTC

Qwaz,

The issue is that because of what has happened, it’s difficult to know who performed which actions.  We’ve seen you both accidently post with the accounts of the other; which means that any action that has been taken could have been either individual, making it difficult for us to justify you as seperate entities.

Now, I’m going to change my vote to against because you are right, as far as I can tell, you, Qwaz, have been a contributing member to blognomic.  But you both need to take extra steps to ensure you do not accidently post as the other, whether that is creating seperate profiles on your windows computer so that you don’t have to worry about it, turning off the option of ‘remember me’ for the account, or something along those lines.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 22:09:17 UTC

This now has 8 against and cannot be passed unless a vote is changed. Fail it. We will be much more careful from now on.

Amnistar: he/him

02-02-2009 22:16:58 UTC

can’t be killed until 48 hours have passed wak.

Wakukee:

02-02-2009 22:23:06 UTC

“The oldest pending Proposal may be failed by any Admin, if any of the following are true:-
-It has enough AGAINST votes that it could not be Enacted without one of those votes being changed.”