Saturday, February 14, 2009

Proposal: Loose Lips Sink Ships

Private Kevan betrayed this proposal and shot it.

(Self-killed)

Private Cliche

Adminned at 15 Feb 2009 23:07:49 UTC

[ Reproposing a fixed version of this. The current “any italicised word is ignored” leaves us open to sneaky “players with negative karma may not declare victory” type scams (which we’ve apparently had happen in the past). ]

In the glossary, reword 3.1 (Typographic Conventions) to:-

If more than half of the words in a sentence of a rule or proposal are visibly italicised, then that sentence is Flavor Text and is not a legally binding part of the gamestate or ruleset. Flavor Text may be used to clarify proposals or rules with examples, notes or descriptive text.

Comments

Sparrow:

02-14-2009 14:45:14 UTC

for

ais523:

02-14-2009 14:49:12 UTC

for, although ‘visibly italicised’ could cause trouble. Messing around with a sentence that became gradually more italicised as time went on is the sort of ridiculous thing that would be needed to break that, though, probably.

Gnauga:

02-14-2009 15:11:35 UTC

for If worst comes to worst, we can all CfJ.

SingularByte:

02-14-2009 16:08:52 UTC

for

Bucky:

02-14-2009 16:36:28 UTC

AGAINST!  This would allow the admin who enacts it to disable or ammend arbitrary portions of the ruleset by adding italic text immediately before enacting it.  Since italic text in the ruleset is currently not gamestate, it can be added and/or modified without restriction.

Sparrow:

02-14-2009 16:56:40 UTC

But adding it in that way would be changing the Gamestate, wouldn’t it?

Igthorn:

02-14-2009 17:21:30 UTC

for

ais523:

02-14-2009 18:13:43 UTC

My basic arguments on IRC: Italic text on the wiki at the moment isn’t in the ruleset, by definition. If this proposal passes, it still won’t be in the ruleset, because it wasn’t before and nothing caused it to be. (Instead of having a ruleset with ignored italic text inside it, we have, and will have, a ruleset with ignored italic text on the same page that isn’t part of it. The wiki is not the ruleset, it just lists what the ruleset is. Passing this proposal would cause the wiki to become wrong if Bucky tries this scam, by changing conventions; it won’t cause the ruleset to incorporate text that was never part of it.

Sparrow:

02-14-2009 18:21:40 UTC

against

If something like this is to pass, maybe it should be worded to remove existing italicized text that is less than 50% of the sentence it is in, to prevent scams or people thinking they can get away with a scam that way.

Sparrow:

02-14-2009 18:21:54 UTC

Oh, that was a CoV, sorry

Wooden Squid:

02-14-2009 20:31:21 UTC

for

Hix:

02-14-2009 20:55:54 UTC

against

Amnistar:

02-14-2009 21:14:21 UTC

against

Qwazukee:

02-14-2009 21:24:40 UTC

against

Klisz:

02-14-2009 21:42:12 UTC

imperial

Rodlen:

02-15-2009 00:45:05 UTC

against

arthexis:

02-15-2009 02:26:40 UTC

against

Darknight:

02-15-2009 04:51:49 UTC

imperial

TrumanCapote:

02-15-2009 05:05:13 UTC

imperial

Kevan:

02-15-2009 10:34:25 UTC

against Self-kill to keep the queue going.