This Proposal is full of WIN.

For once, the fact that spikebrennan’s FOR is not an EVC makes a HUGE difference.

RoV

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God I love this

RoV

Any Citizen who posts more than 5.5 RoVs on this proposal will be hearing from IntSec about attempting to DDoS The Computer (and receiving a Treason Point).

Also: ARROWS GO BEFORE VOTE ICONS!

RoV , and recommend a veto so we don’t have to keep this up forever.

CoV

Ok we’ll stop saying RoV, that should keep IntSec off our case.

CoV

  lol

We should try to break the comment record! I always thought it should be broken in some valid, game-related way

Thus is cancerous

  Okay this is silly

yes it definitely is

 
Explicit author vote

You are nowvote 11 lol

  This should be EVC 6

Not any more!

touche

In all seriousness, this should be vetoed if it gets over 100 comments because non-admins/spikebrennans won’t be able to see the comments.

Agreed.

Also, CoV .

Explicit abstention?

I‘ll check later what this vote means.

and an (oh my god, alethioscript will be confused by this one? nooo!)

Does lilomar’s DEF Vote count as a Vote? I think it does. This is important, lol

I think it doesn’t. The core rules say that imperial DEFERENTIALs are ignored except for the purpose of cancelling out previous votes.

“Any Citizen may cast their Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the official post that comprises that Votable Matter using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, DEFERENTIAL (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal), or VETO (only if the Votable Matter is a Proposal and the Citizen is the High-Programmer).”

“A Vote of DEFERENTIAL is a Vote of no opinion, or of faith in the decision of the High-Programmer. The Vote will count as the same as the High-Programmer’s Vote. If the High-Programmer casts a Vote of DEFERENTIAL on a Proposal, it serves the purpose of cancelling any previous Vote on that Proposal that was cast by the High-Programmer.”

Especially the line “If the High-Programmer casts a Vote of DEFERENTIAL on a Proposal” seems to imply that the High-Programmer IS casting a Vote, even if its only effect is to cancel out any previous votes by them.

Oh, I muddled the text for an imperial DEFERENTIAL with a self-DEFERENTIAL. (Neither comes up all that often…)

On the other hand, the definition of EVC is:

“A Citizen’s Effective Vote Comment with respect to a given Proposal means that Citizen’s Comment to that Proposal (if any) that contains that Citizen’s Vote on the Proposal that is given effect in accordance with Rule 1.4 when the Proposal is Resolved.”

So one could argue that since lilomar wasn’t cancelling out one of his previous votes, it has no effect in Rule 1.4, so it doesn’t count as an EVC (even if it is a Vote).

Well, in that case, if I do this:

does this comment count as an EVC? It’s a DEFERENTIAL copying an imperial DEFERENTIAL, and I have trouble figuring out what that does. I just assumed (like everyone else has been doing) that it’s equivalent to no-vote, but the rules seem to go into an infinite loop.

Lol by rule, it counts the same as the High-Programmer’s Vote. Thus, your Vote cancels out lilomar’s last DEF, and then since lilomar doesn’t have a Vote that comes before that, your Vote defaults to an explicit Vote of abstention, bringing lilomar’s DEF back into play, and it loops infinitely….

So technically, you have half-cancelled your own vote and half-cancelled lilomar’s making this impossible to count. However, either way it does not count as an EVC. :p

Does it cancel my earlier EVCs, in that case? This seems ridiculously abusable on a proposal like this one.

This proposal is now passing either 6-0 or 6-1. There are either 6 or 7 EVCs, depending on whether you consider ais’s last DEF vote to cancel out his prior AGAINST vote (and thus EVC).

Yeah it’s clearly broken, infinite loop is impossible to resolve. Someone should propose to fix this (but I am out of slots).

CoV (For real this time)

Also ais, if you CoV and NO ONE ELSE VOTE DEF ON THIS, then it will be possible to tell the vote count.

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CoV in that case. But, I may change again.

En it will veto if you vote again