Sunday, April 18, 2021

Proposal: Oversitting

Reached quorum 9 votes to 1. Enacted by Kevan. No EVCs take effect: the only one stated was “Tree”, which is not “a list of words separated by commas”.

Adminned at 19 Apr 2021 19:08:16 UTC

Replace the rule “Understanding” with the following

Each AI has an Understanding, which is a publicly-tracked flavour text list of words, and which represents that AI’s understanding of the outside world and its dominant technologies and lifeforms. An AI’s Understanding may contain no more than N strings, where N is how many pieces of World Data they have, and is by default Empty.

As a Discreet Action known as Recognising, an AI may add the the name of any object or lifeform to their Understanding.

An AI is Complaint if for each entry in their Understanding, a unique piece of World Data belonging to that AI can be assigned to it which the given word appears in. Otherwise they are Non-Complaint.

If the Facility Head believes an AI to be Non-Compliant, and that AI does not already have a pending Challenge associated with them, the AI may post a Challenge by making a story post to the blog declaring their assertion that the AI in question is Non-Compliant. The challenge remains pending for at least 24 hours, during which time the AI in question is allowed to converse (publicly or privately) with the Facility Head to explain why they think they are compliant.

Once a challenge has been pending for more than 24 hours, the Facility Head may issue a verdict by voting either FOR or AGAINST on the Challenge post. A FOR icon indicates the Facility Head now believes the AI in question is Compliant. An AGAINST vote indicates the Facility Head still believes the AI in question is Non-Compliant, at which point they are immediately Reinitialized. In either case, the Challenge post ceases to be pending. If a challenge has been pending for more than 48 hours, it is resolved as if the Facility Head voted FOR it.

Reset all AI’s Understanding. If an AI’s EVC contains the line “Seed My Understanding: ” and then a list of words separated by commas, add each word in order in their list to their Understanding one by one until the list has ended or the word cannot be legally added to their understanding

Comments

lemon: she/her

18-04-2021 05:52:06 UTC

is there any particular reason ‘empty’ is capitalized? u mean empty as synonymous with blank there, right?
also it might be a good idea to change “the given word” to “the given word’s meaning” for clarity. these r just nitpicks tho– i like this change!!

lemon: she/her

18-04-2021 07:45:00 UTC

oh well! for

Josh: Observer he/they

18-04-2021 07:54:47 UTC

As a Discreet Action known as Recognising, an AI may add the the name of any object or lifeform to their Understanding.

An AI is Complaint if for each entry in their Understanding, a unique piece of World Data belonging to that AI can be assigned to it which the given word appears in.

How is this not going to immediately balloon?

lemon, can you definitely use the random generator to generate images that are guaranteed to contain any arbitrary noun?

lemon: she/her

18-04-2021 08:01:36 UTC

huh? i don’t follow– like, no, there are definitely objects or lifeforms that would never appear in the random image generator, but how is that a problem?

lemon: she/her

18-04-2021 08:17:14 UTC

or if ur asking if i can generate items to include a *specific* noun, no i definitely can’t– the only ways to sort the generator are general categories, image style, & colours. but in that case ur misreading the proposal– those clauses are talking about World Data already owned by an AI, not new world data being assigned!! the ‘it’ in “assigned to it” is referring to entries in Understanding, not AIs

Kevan: he/him

18-04-2021 11:21:45 UTC

imperial Not sure about this endorsing fake Understanding.

Under the current ruleset, pretending to know what a Human is (if Made of Meat enacts and gives that a meaning) won’t work because the Facility Head can judge it and invalidate it before processing the atomic action. Under the 24 hour assessment period of this proposal, you can get one free use of entirely fake knowledge in before being Reinitialised.

Lulu: she/her

18-04-2021 15:18:01 UTC

against

Clucky: he/him

18-04-2021 16:14:22 UTC

@Kevan you’ll still get reinitialised, which is a bad thing. But this helps rule out circumstances where say, for whatever reason Lemon doesn’t see the same thing you do in the photo and thus you now have room to go “here is where the dog is” rather than simply getting immediately reset

Clucky: he/him

18-04-2021 16:15:38 UTC

@Josh not sure I understand your concern here. The idea is as follows:

Say image 1 contains dogs and ducks, imagine 2 contains cats and hats, and image 3 contains dogs and people

You could do “Duck, Cat, Person” because you can assign image 1 to duck, image 2 to cat, image 3 to perosn.

You could do “Dog, Cat, Person” because you can assign image 1 to Dog, image 2 to cat, image 3 to person.

You could do “Dog, Cat, Duck” because you can assign image 3 to Duck, image 2 to at, and image 1 to dog.

But you just can’t do something like “Dog, Cat, Hat” because you cannot assign image 2 to both Cat and Hat, you need to assign a unique image to each entry.

So where is the concern with “ballooning”?

Raven1207: he/they

18-04-2021 17:36:00 UTC

imperial

Brendan: he/him

18-04-2021 18:52:48 UTC

imperial

Janet: she/her

18-04-2021 19:20:39 UTC

imperial

Lulu: she/her

18-04-2021 21:22:21 UTC

for cov

Clucky: he/him

19-04-2021 04:34:57 UTC

explicate   for  to log an EVC

Seed My Understanding: Tree

Josh: Observer he/they

19-04-2021 10:37:16 UTC

for @clucky @lemon Yes, I misread. Apols.

pokes:

19-04-2021 13:35:00 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

19-04-2021 16:04:47 UTC

against CoV because I don’t have any World Data yet, so can’t take advantage of the EVC string.

Clucky: he/him

19-04-2021 18:32:59 UTC

@Brendan setting word data is a discreet action, so there are no limits on doing it. All it enables is that if you *had* a legal understanding, you don’t need to worry about what would happen if this passes and then Lemon proccesses another day before you have a chance to fix your Understand and you lose your human bonus