Proposal: Respect is a fickle thing
reached a quorum, final vote 3-9—Yoda
Adminned at 22 Oct 2008 22:42:17 UTC
If the Proposal titled “Way to gain and lose honor” passed, this Proposal does nothing.
Add a sub-rule “Respect and Shame” under rule “Honor”:
Whenever a Clansmen makes a proposal that their fellow clan members regard as useful and/or important to the clan, they may reward that Clansmen by adding the text “Respect” on any comment on which they include a FOR vote on that proposal, and this comment is known further as a Vote of Respect. If the proposal passes, the proposer has 24 hours to increase their honor by 1 for each Vote of Respect made on their proposal.
Whenever a Clansmen makes a proposal that their fellow clan members regard as dangerous or useless to the clan, they may punish that Clansmen by adding the text “Shame” on any comment on which they include an AGAINST vote on that proposal, and this comment is known further as a Vote of Shame. If the proposal fails, each Clansmen who gave a Vote of Shame on that proposal has 24 hours to decrease the honor of the proposer by 1.
A Clansmen cannot place Votes of Respect or Votes of Shame on their own proposals.
If more than half of all comments containing counted votes also contain the text “Patriarchal Respect”, also add the following text:
FOR votes made by the Patriarch always count as Votes of Respect. AGAINST votes made by the Patriarch always count as Votes of Shame.
Comments
Yoda:
Now what?
Bucky:
Yoda:Only the last voting icon you use is considered a vote.
spikebrennan:
spikebrennan:
spikebrennan:
spikebrennan:
Now what?
spikebrennan:
For good measure, I was just trying to make a point.
Kevan:
You’re still just “a Clansman who gave a vote of shame”.
Bucky:
spikebrennan:Rule 1.4 was reworded while you were idle. It now reads “If a Clansman uses more than one Voting Icon in comments on a Pending Proposal, his Vote is the last voting icon he uses.” This means that when this passes, assuming you don’t comment any more, you will have given neither a Vote of Respect nor a Vote of Shame.
Yoda:
Rodlen:
Rodney:
Rodney:
Suppose I really don’t like a certain clansman. Whenever I see a proposal of his about to fail, I can Shame him for 1, even if it was just self-killed for a fix. On the reverse side, if there’s a clansman I like or a fellow conspirator, we can Respect each other for 1 whenever the other has a successful proposer. Either way, there’s nothing anyone else can do about it.
Xaxyx:
I once again heartily recommend that we not integrate dynasty rules with the metagame. Passing and/or failing proposals should not influence nor be influenced by dynastic goals.
Hello Sailor:
arthexis:
Xaxyx: Quite on the contrary, any system that deals with rules that can be changed by humans has to deal with politics one way. With or without this system, I would still vote against proposals that seem to be affecting my possibility of winning in a negative way. Nomics ARE a metagame, how couldn’t it be if the whole purpose is to skew the rules on your favor?
arthexis:
Rodlen: You are describing exactly what I am aiming for with this rule! Conspiracy! In-fighting! On our last dynasties we had a lot of proposals timing out because not a lot of attention was being put to them. Perhaps with this we can at least get people voting (even if they just do it to sink a potentian rival).
Tripwire:
Rodlen:
I’m Rodlen. He is Rodney.
We are not the same.
Kevan:
Xaxyx: “There’s really no motivation not to shame someone’s proposal down into oblivion.” - except that you risk becoming “that shaming into oblivion guy”, and people who wouldn’t normally have shamed you will start shaming you purely for that.
Bucky:
CoV
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Clucky:
Dustin:
Yoda:
Yoda:
By my count, that’s 3-9.