Hmm, clashing proposals.

I think they can be easily reconciled, and we used slightly different terminology in any case (“lessons” vs “classes”).

@Josh: How are they clashing? I don’t see it.

Also, if “Rotters and Floaters” passes, no student will be “Dead”, so Zombies and Ghost will be able to roam the classes. Which is awesome. =P

If a Student Disrupts a Lesson, they may set their Grade in that Lesson’s Subject to ‘F’. They are not obliged to, which could lead to a disruptive student still having A+ at all time.
Also, since Disruptive students have an effect only on those who posted before they did, no one is going to be the first to comment, for fear of being disrupted.

Well, it’s still logical: if you set up some explosives in the back of the class, you won’t be surprised by the explosion so you can still work pretty well. The distraction means you can’t improve your grades, but you don’t have to flunk the class either.

Of course, if you disrupt the class using a live angry griffin, you might be in more trouble. =P

[Greytyphoon] But there’s also an “and” in there - if you don’t take the F, nobody gets demoted. (Both actions are “may”, just to stop anything confusingly illegal happening if someone makes a comment but forgets to update the GNDT.)

We definitely need more mechanics built around this (most critically a way to actually end lessons), but it seems okay as a starting point. If I start by Studying and everyone else Disrupts the class, I’ll have an E and they’ll all have Fs. I’ll be behind someone who joins the class later, but I’ll still be above the “Ungraded” I’d be at if I hadn’t done anything.

@ Roujo - it’s not a huge class, they just deal with the same concepts oddly. For instance, if it passes, Nomich would have nothing to do with Sporting ability, and having classes and lessons as separate and distinct game concepts that have no points of interaction is odd to say the least.

*clash

@Josh: Thanks!

There’s still Grey’s point that people might wait for a vouple of days before participating in a lesson, either upping their grade or downgrading everyone who posted before them. Plus, a player that joins two weeks from now could study/disrupt every lesson ever made - either getting really good grades or distributing crappy grades all around -, which is a bit counter-intuitive as the class would realistically have ended by then unless being able to attend 10 classes at the same time is a requirement for this school. (I assume we are still in the classes as we can be disrupted by students joining a week after.) (I know, I used “realistically” in a magic school theme. Hush.)

I think Lessons should have an end, after which actions can be acted on. For example, if you studied a Sport lesson that has now ended, you can either reset your grade to C or increment it. If you disrupted that same lesson, you can choose to get an F and downgrade everyone else by one. The thing is, players will probably wait until all the downgrades are done (when they have an E at worst) before giving themselves an upgrade (making their grade D) instead of going from C to B before the disruptive students’ actions are done, possibly getting them down to E. So downgrading players might wait for all the upgrades to be done before downgrading people. Which might end up in a long waiting game.

So maybe one should have priority over the other. That could work. Still, for this version of the proposal, I vote .

[Roujo] All fair points, but isn’t Nomic about developing better versions of rules rather than better versions of proposals? Nothing breaks if this passes (and it’s unclear how bad it would be to set yourself up with an “F” in whatever our first lesson is) - it might just be me, but I’d rather everyone was playing on the scaffolding as it went up, than collaborating on one exhaustive proposal.

I agree with Kevan on that. I’ve always found it frustrating that people were more prepared to vote down a good proposal than let it pass and fix it.

@Josh & Kevan: True, true. Sorry, I didn’t think about the fact that, worst case, we can just study a class once this is fixed and bring our grade back to C. Thanks for the reminder!

Long live Nomic.

I like this class schedule better.

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