Wednesday, October 29, 2008

Proposal: Stop.  Hammertime!

timed out, final vote 1-3-6—Yoda

Adminned at 31 Oct 2008 15:22:45 UTC

Part 1:
Add the following text to “List of Valid Items”

Hammer (abbreviation: “HA”).
The Hammer is a Weapon.
In a Duel:
* If the holder Uses the Hammer and the opponent Punches or Counters, the opponent takes Crushing Damage.
* If the holder Uses the Hammer and the opponent Kicks, the holder takes Damage
* If the holder Uses the Hammer and the opponent Grabs, then the Clan Lord who announced the duel shall, when adjudicating this Combat Move, roll 1DICEX with respect to each Combatant, where X is the Combatant’s Skill score.  If the result of the roll for the holder is lower than the result of the roll for the opponent, then the Hammer is immediately removed from the holder’s inventory, the holder takes Damage, and if there are any remaining Combat Moves that have not yet been adjudicated where the holder had submitted a Combat Move of “Use the Hammer” (or the equivalent), those Combat Moves shall be treated as if they were “Grabs”, and at the end of the Duel, the opponent may add the Hammer to his own inventory.  If the result of the roll for the opponent is lower than the result of the roll for the opponent, then the opponent takes Damage.  If the rolls are tied then neither Combatant takes damage.
* If the holder Uses the Hammer and the opponent Uses a Weapon, the duel Combatant whose Strength and Skill reflexes have the lower sum takes Damage.  If they have the same sum, neither takes Damage.
* The holder of the Hammer suffers a -2 penalty to Reflex as long as he holds the Hammer.

Part 2: (This part shall be enacted unless a majority of the valid final votes on this Proposal include the phrase “Don’t award the Hammer”).
Roll 1DICEX where X is the number of active Clansmen at the time of enactment of this Proposal.  The Xth active Clansman listed in the GNDT at the time of enactment of this Proposal shall add the Hammer to his inventory.

Comments

Hello Sailor:

10-29-2008 22:52:31 UTC

imperial Don’t award the Hammer

Bucky:

10-29-2008 22:55:10 UTC

I won’t vote until I’ve heard everyone else’s opinion.

Yoda:

10-29-2008 23:14:12 UTC

imperial Don’t award the Hammer

arthexis:

10-30-2008 02:15:54 UTC

against Don’t award the Hammer…

Ok, my thoughts: Its a good idea but very complex. Perhaps we first need to create a framework to generalize item actions, or otherwise all existing items will be as complex as this one.

Kevan:

10-30-2008 12:16:29 UTC

against Absolutely with Arthexis on this one. We should be able to get weapons down to a couple of sentences each.

Purplebeard:

10-30-2008 14:06:11 UTC

against

Rodney:

10-30-2008 19:14:51 UTC

against Good point.

spikebrennan:

10-30-2008 19:19:02 UTC

I don’t think it’s really that complicated, and it’s intended to be balanced as well:
Hammer beats (x2) Punch
Kick beats Hammer
Grab results in a chance that the holder drops the hammer
Hammer vs. other weapon depends on a comparison of stats.
Hammer holder suffers a stat penalty.

Tripwire:

10-30-2008 20:03:31 UTC

against Don’t award the Hammer.
I don’t want to read through two weapon descriptions like this before dueling a heavily-armed opponent. Also, I’m not sure how the -2 Reflex is tracked. When you pick up the Hammer, do you also change your Reflex score, or do you just remember that you’ve got a Hammer and apply the penalty to every action involving Reflex?

Dustin:

10-30-2008 21:40:35 UTC

against Don’t award the hammer.

Aemos:

10-31-2008 03:43:32 UTC

imperial

arthexis:

10-31-2008 04:45:27 UTC

Can we get bucky’s vote and get over this proposal?

Kevan:

10-31-2008 10:55:33 UTC

Spike: I think that example shows that if we establish clear definitions of what “holder drops their weapon” means, we can make snappy, easy-to-understand weapon descriptions like that.

And actually, “suffers a -2 penalty to Reflex” is ambiguous, if you’re reproposing this. Do I lose 2 Reflex and get it back later, or would my Reflex stay at its normal value and just be treated as two less for anything that checked it?

arthexis:

10-31-2008 16:11:56 UTC

I am gonna make a proposal to standarize duel related term, just wait until I get another proposal slot…