Saturday, October 22, 2011

Call for Judgment: Consensus Gamestate

Reached a Quorum of FOR votes, without any AGAINST.—Chronos Phaenon

Adminned at 23 Oct 2011 05:05:38 UTC

Issue:

Several purported CfJs were malformed due to failure to describe what issue they were attempting to resolve. Also, it has been argued that some registrations may have not occurred correctly. Finally, there are a few people who suspect that the Faux Pas scam may have lingering effects. Any of these could potentially lead to a gamestate recalculation of unknown extent. Massive gamestate recalculations are, in general, a Bad Thing. This CfJ is intended as a ratification, with the primary purpose of reducing ambiguity regarding the current game state.

Therefore:

Set the ruleset to the version that was on the wiki at 00:01 22 Oct 2011. (That’s the latest version, so this shouldn’t change the rules from what we’ve generally believed them to be.)

Amend rule 1.7 (Calls for Judgement) by deleting the sentence “The post shall go on to describe the issue, and measures that shall be taken to resolve it.” (This is intended to avoid future confusion about what is and isn’t a CfJ. If people want that sentence in there, it can easily be proposaled back in; in the short term, this is the easiest way to avoid further muddling the game state.)

Change the section of the first paragraph of Rule 1.2 that reads

announcing their arrival

to instead read

making clear their wish to be an Artist

(This is intended to improve the clarity of the wording, and not to substantially change the game mechanics.)

If the wiki page “The Faux Pas” exists, then blank it. (This is intended as a just-in-case measure to clear out any remaining ambiguity regarding the Faux Pas scam.)

Fail all currently-pending CfJs and Proposals. (This is the easiest way to make unambiguous whether various CfJs and Proposals exist.)

(The rest of this CfJ is intended to ratify the player lists and such to be what we thought they were; if the arrival bug doesn’t exist, then it probably has no effect. One somewhat unfortunate side effect is that anyone who idles, deidles, registers, or deregisters in between the posting of this CfJ and its enactment will have that change reverted, and will need to re-whatever themselves afterward. However, this probably won’t happen, and even if it does it’s only somewhat inconvenient, and it’s probably unavoidable as a side effect of ratification.)

Set the non-Idle Artists to:

Agora Nomic, Amnistar, ais523, Blorg, Brendan, Bucky, Clucky, comex, coppro, Chronos Phaenon, CWW, Darknight, Darth Cliche, digibomber, Doctor29, dupdog, eelpout, Ely, Elias IX, flurie, Hix, Ienpw III, Josh, Kevan, lass, lazerchik, Libby, monqy, Murphy, Ornithopter, Pavitra, Phantom Hoover, pikhq, Prince Anduril, Qwazukee, rebelyellow, Roujo, Rodney, Seventy-Fifth Trombone, Schrodinger’s Cat, Sgeo, Shadowclaw, southpointingchariot, Soviet Brendon, Spitemaster, Tavros Nitram, Winner, Wooble, Yally, zuff

Set the Admins to:

Amnistar, Brendan, Bucky, Clucky, coppro, Chronos Phaenon, Darknight, Darth Cliche, Elias IX, Hix, Ienpw III, Josh, Kevan, Ornithopter, Qwazukee, Rodney, Seventy-Fifth Trombone, Shadowclaw, 90000, aaronwinborn, alethiophile, Angry Grasshopper, arthexis, Axeling, Cayvie, Chivalrybean, Devenger, epylar, Excalabur, Gobleteer, Greth, Jack, jay, lilomar, Oze, Plorkyeran, Purplebeard, Rodlen, Saki, Saurik, Seebo, SingularByte, smith, Thelonious, Thrawn, Truman Capote, Wakukee, Yoda, Zeofar, Axiallus, Bluebottle, Damanor, Dunam, est, Keitalia, Satyr Eyes, Simon, Topher, Wittgenstein

Set the Idle Artists to:

404NOTFOUND, 90000, aaronwinborn, Aemos, aeromark98, AgentHH, aguydude, ajhager, Alcazar, Alecto, Aleron, alethiophile, Allispaul, Altharis, Alzhaid, Ambisinister, Ambi Valent, Andy, Angry Grasshopper, anna, Anonyman, Antaeus, Apathetic Lizardman, Aquafraternally Yours, Aquila, aran, Armayus, Ar-Pharazon, arthexis, Axeling, Axmann BabylonJasmine, Badgerigar, Bahro, banana, Banjabanyan, bateleur, Beane, Bento, Blacky, Bluecloud, Bobbikk, BobTHJ, Brainslug, Brownie, captpir8, Cascadia, Cavaliere Pugrins, Cayvie, ChinDoGu, Chivalrybean, Ciaran, Clarinet, Cloj63, Coldspell, Combustable, Coolchris, Corlindale, Cosmologicon, Crumb, danopato , Da Vinci, David Mega, Darkside, Dazz, dbdougla, delta, Denis Brandao, dev, Devenger, DiEvAl, dogfish, Doodle, Doremi, Dr. Melon, Dr Zed, Dreson, Duke, Dustin, Edometheus, Eljefe, Enderbean, epylar, Escher, Euler, evilclown, EvilToaster, Excalabur, Falkuon, Fidelio, firefaux, FiSH, Florw, Freezerbird, FuzzyLogic, Galdyn, Galtori, garrinok, Gawain, Gazanga, Gazebo Dude, Geoff, geographyrules, Gill_Smoke, glopso, Gnauga, Gobleteer, gr4nf, Gramira, Greth, Grey, Greytyphoon, Gwydion, h2g2guy, Hello Sailor, hellzapoppin, Hockeyruler, Hyronious, Iammars, Icarus, Igthorn, imreading, Influenza, iqforu, Iron Man, Ironwrench, Isolde, Jacek_FH, Jack, Jamuraa, jay, Jeid, JelloGoesWiggle, Jesus, jmrdex, Jockawo, Joe, joe371, JoeFish, JoshuaGross, Jumblin McGrumblin, Jupiter, Kaddar, Kalhaan, Kau, Keba, keecz, Kels, Kelvin, Kneuronak, Lambert, Leurez, Lex10, lilomar, Lithophagist, Loen, Logan, lordcooper, Lugosh, Lunaetic, LykeX, macgeorge, MacMed, Madalyn, Masked Jedi, Maximus, Mescad, mideg, mistarr oconnell, Moonwryn, Mosby, Mossfire, muiro, Narya, Nausved, Neil, Nic, Night, Noah, NoOneImportant, NonnoNaz, Notafraud, nowhereful, OddRon, Oni Tainlyn, Oracular rufio, Oranjer, ovangle, Oze, Paladin, Pangolin, parsley, patio11, peacefulwarrior, Personman, Plorkyeran, Poe, predisastered, Princerepulsive, Psychotipath, Pteriforever65536, Purplebeard, Put, Qapmoc, Quazie, qwertyu63, Ralff, Rhontos, Richard, Rodlen, Rotwang, Royce, Rune Master Xan, Saakara, Saki, Salamander , Sanguine Teddy, Saurik, Scaramouche, ScrumHalf, Seebo, Seeking, SeerPenguin, SethOcean, Sgt. Zed, shallowminded, Sheelawolf, Shem, SingularByte, sixsidepentagon, smith, Snowballinhell7001, Soyweiser, Sparrow, SPBM, spikebrennan, Stormshade, Subrincinator, Syl, Sysiphus, TAE, Tagone, tecslicer, Tekneek, tem2, Tesla4D, teucer, Thelas, The Cube, The Doctor, The Lone Amigo, Thelonious, There, TheSmokingMan, Thorolf, Thane Q, Thrawn, Tiberias, TigerMoth, Token, Tommy, Travis, Tripwire, Truman Capote, tuxhedoh, Tuzgai, Ujalu, the unnecessary, Undef, Uvthenfuv, Vee, ViewtyJoe, Villainod, vostibackle, Wakukee, WhenInRome, WildCard, William, Wooden Squid, Woofy, Xaxyx, yabbaguy, Yoda, your mother, Zaratustra, zauper, Zebra, zebronic, Zephyr, Zeofar

Set the Unregistered Idle Artists to:

Axiallus, Ben, Bluebottle, Cafemusique, CaptTwinky, Cheater, CodexArcanum, Damanor, DarkElf, Doodle, Dunam, Dirk, E.lite, est, Euthydemos, Fjom, Garran, Glod, Hobbes, Inauspicious, Iron, Kahbn, Kamikaze, Keitalia, Kurt, Mal3, Mnemosyne, Mickey, Nephandus, Octave, Orkboi, Person, Satyr Eyes, sctfn, Shoji, Shade, Simon, Slipjig, Topher, Wittgenstein, Worthstream, Yagyu Jubei

 

This CfJ has been worked with the “Agoran players”, as an attempt on consensus. It’s the result of a bipartisan effort on IRC, and it’s intended to be acceptable all round. Please vote on its merit, not on its authoring.

Comments

zuff:

10-22-2011 23:55:28 UTC

for Very carefully worked out fix to our gamestate problem, and Chronos has been a player since before the second meta, so there’s no problems there.

Even if you think there’s no problem, this makes sure of it.

Shadowclaw:

10-22-2011 23:57:32 UTC

for

Pavitra:

10-23-2011 00:03:08 UTC

for

Bucky:

10-23-2011 00:04:37 UTC

for

Roujo:

10-23-2011 00:05:42 UTC

for Yep, that discussion was pretty interesting. I think this proposal does a nice job of, if not fixing things, making sure they don’t need any more fixing. =)

southpointingchariot:

10-23-2011 00:06:35 UTC

for

Ienpw III:

10-23-2011 00:08:38 UTC

for

Amnistar:

10-23-2011 00:10:19 UTC

for makes 9

Sgeo:

10-23-2011 00:11:01 UTC

for

eelpout:

10-23-2011 00:11:20 UTC

for go consensus!

Darknight:

10-23-2011 00:13:01 UTC

for

Clucky:

10-23-2011 00:15:26 UTC

for

This shouldn’t even be necessary if we didn’t have a sudden influx of bitchy rules lawyers <_<

ChronosPhaenon:

10-23-2011 00:15:37 UTC

for Explicit vote, to easy the counting.

Ornithopter:

10-23-2011 00:18:35 UTC

for

Brendan:

10-23-2011 00:23:06 UTC

for

Murphy:

10-23-2011 00:25:03 UTC

for

pikhq:

10-23-2011 00:56:28 UTC

for
Removing ambiguity is always an easy vote.

lazerchik:

10-23-2011 01:29:27 UTC

for

flurie:

10-23-2011 01:41:08 UTC

for

Spitemaster:

10-23-2011 01:47:47 UTC

for

Klisz:

10-23-2011 02:01:47 UTC

for

75th Trombone:

10-23-2011 02:05:18 UTC

for

Seventy-Fifth Trombone:

10-23-2011 02:08:20 UTC

for

Once again I am an idiot; the above comment doesn’t count as it isn’t by a player. I am the player and this is my vote.

If someone can remind me why I ever thought it would be a good idea to have separate accounts for admin duties and player duties, please do, so I can surgically remove the part of my brain that made that decision.

Spitemaster:

10-23-2011 02:32:35 UTC

for

zuff:

10-23-2011 02:33:39 UTC

Spitemaster: Invalid; you have already voted.

omd:

10-23-2011 02:48:02 UTC

for

Rodney:

10-23-2011 02:49:18 UTC

for

Rodney:

10-23-2011 02:51:22 UTC

Two more FORs needed, by my count.

zuff:

10-23-2011 02:53:54 UTC

...but admins should wait until a few more trickle in to be sure, in case we’re in an unfavourable gamestate.

Klisz:

10-23-2011 02:54:04 UTC

BNScript says so too.

Brendan:

10-23-2011 02:54:30 UTC

I count only 24, so only one more needed.

Brendan:

10-23-2011 02:55:39 UTC

... Nope, two more. Forgive me.

Spitemaster:

10-23-2011 03:09:42 UTC

Oh, you’re right, zuff.  I looked for that, and didn’t see it :P

ChronosPhaenon:

10-23-2011 03:10:13 UTC

24-0 until now. 2 to go.

But I suggest we wait until 10-23 12:00 or so…

zuff:

10-23-2011 03:21:53 UTC

No point to wait for time; something like two over quorum seems reasonable.

We have at least four definitive votes (Chronos, Amnistar, 75th Trombone and me), and almost certainly more (most people register in the usual manner, after all); we’re probably safe with only a couple of votes over quorum.

omd:

10-23-2011 03:22:40 UTC

You’re just impatient.

ChronosPhaenon:

10-23-2011 03:24:51 UTC

Bucky, Clucky, Brendan and Rodney are also well-defined players

zuff:

10-23-2011 03:27:54 UTC

comex: What’s the point waiting for time if no additional votes appear in that timeframe? What’s the the point of waiting for time if enough additional votes appear before then?

It makes no sense as a basis to wait on.

Klisz:

10-23-2011 03:32:56 UTC

I’m pretty sure I’m a player, too.

zuff:

10-23-2011 03:37:22 UTC

omd:

10-23-2011 03:56:53 UTC

if you wait for time, then it’s only a question of whether at least one player legally voted FOR; if you don’t wait, it depends on what the quorum is and stuff.

zuff:

10-23-2011 03:59:26 UTC

comex: Chronos’ given time was today, not in two days.

Anyway, we have at least 9 definite votes and almost certainly more; if registrations have been broken a while, then quorum will be low. No point holding the game up when (almost?) nobody to my knowledge actually believes the arrival interpretation right now.

Pavitra:

10-23-2011 04:18:40 UTC

Much of the point of this proposal is to tie up loose ends. We might as well do it thoroughly.

Darknight:

10-23-2011 04:36:13 UTC

I’m so much a player of BN that I actually asked to join twice. once midway in the monkey dynasty then a second time at the start of the one right after, mostly cause i wasn’t added in the first time lol.

Ornithopter:

10-23-2011 04:42:58 UTC

I predate the “announce your arrival” rule. In my day, when you joined, you had to give a link to your blog.

zuff:

10-23-2011 05:58:00 UTC

Pavitra: Hmm. On second thought, I’m inclined to agree; waiting two days gets BlogNomic out of just about every conceivable possible gamestate that is not completely unfixable.

Still, it seems like it’d have devastating effects on activity just to be sure.

Josh:

10-23-2011 06:42:47 UTC

for

monqy:

10-23-2011 08:37:22 UTC

for

Josh:

10-23-2011 09:04:06 UTC

That’s quorum.

Can we just enact it and get on with the next thing?

Ely:

10-23-2011 10:17:54 UTC

for Beyond Quorum!

Ely:

10-23-2011 10:22:03 UTC

But I’m probably not a player. Never announced my arrival, only asked to get [to become] a player… Sigh