BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

I don’t think this would reset stats either, despite starting a new dynasty.

The current ruleset really doesn’t work as a meta, though (even though the theme does).

To elaborate: I don’t think any effect has ever reset stats from one dynasty to the next; that’s normally a side effect of rules getting repealed, but if the rules aren’t repealed, the stats aren’t reset either.

Agreed. In the absence of any rationale for resetting everyone’s stats to defaults, we should all have the same stats as before, and can continue playing.

Its standard that stats get reset when a new dynasty begins. We are all new players in the dynasty. So we all get the new player values. UTD remains the same though.

We’re always the same old players. I think it’s only “standard” for player stats to be reset because, as ais523 says, the dynastic rules that define those stats nearly always get blanked. I don’t see that the ruleset supports the blanking of stats that carry over into the next dynasty.

So you’re saying if we had a stat “hitpoints” in dynasty X, and then thirty dynasties later also had “hitpoints”, unless there is a “set everyone’s hitpoints to 10” clause (as opposed to just saying “by default hitpoints are 10” in the ruleset) that someone who had 20 hitpoints in dynasty X should still have 20 hitpoints?

No, I think that’s a different issue, because hitpoints explicitly stop existing as trackable gamestate as soon as we repeal the rule. In the case of this Metadynasty, though, the rules remain constant and all that’s happening is that we’re changing the name and subtype of the dynasty.

Historically it looks like we had “When a Dynasty has been won, all [Players]’ GNDT stats are reset to zero or blank.” in there for ten dynasties or so until I took it out in 2006. I think I’d still stand by that - gamestate only exists for as long as we track it.

We also had the persistent “gold"keyword, which changed from dynasty to dynasty like player and emperor and was normalized (to 100, plus or minus 25) with each victory. I think that was in place for most of the early dynasties.

Hrm. I guess you are right. I would still argue that everyone is a new player, but the rules just say

“When an Time Monk is unidled, if they went Idle in the same dynasty, their personal gamestate retains the last legally endowed values it had, if they are still valid. Otherwise (including if a value is invalid, does not exist, or the Time Monk Idled in a different dynasty), the Time Monk is given the default value for new Time Monks, if such a value exists. “

and

“At any given time, each Time Monk occupies a specific dynasty from BlogNomic’s history, which is tracked in the GNDT under “Dynasty” and logged as that Dynasty’s number. This defaults to 100”

So my values should’ve reset, because I didn’t go idle in the seventh meta dynasty, but everyone else’s values should’ve remained the same.

I’m glad I could be involved.

Ugh, should have checked this more closely at the time, but did Dynasty 1 have any Dynastic Rules at the time when Oranjer used that ruleset? (Dynasties that just have “rules” require the Buddha to post to specify which are which - until that time, Monks are just “subject to the Dynastic Rules”, and no such Rules exist.)

Actually that rule specifies “may” not “must”.

You mean in “In the case of earlier Dynasties, where Core Rules and Dynastic Rules may not be mapped, the Time Buddha may make a post to the Blog detailing which rules in that Dynasty’s are considered Dynastic and while rules are considered Core.”?

I’m not sure if you’re arguing for or against my reading of it, but if the Buddha chooses not to make such a post, then nothing happens. We don’t default to “well, let’s just say these middle ones are dynastic”.