Idle Nobles are the Devil’s court
I wish to cease to be idle,
I wish to cease to be idle,
In the rule “Titles” after “Additionally, a list of each of Noble containing the number of titles they hold, and any Noble who is their Lord (and the number of times that Noble fulfills the Nobles requirement) is kept on this page.” add “It is Improper to update any Titles and not also correctly update this list to match within ten minutes”
In the rule “Settling” after “A Noble has a Settler score tracked in the GNDT equal to Floor( (K - O) * U/P ), where K is the number of knights, O is the number Occupied parcels, U is the number of Unoccupied parcels, and P is the total number of parcels that the Noble has.” add “It is Improper to make any changes that effect a Noble’s Settler Score and not correctly update their Settler Score within ten minutes of performing the original changes.”
Part of the issue with these things that are supposed to help in time advancing is that the guy advancing time still needs to check all the work is right. At least this way if people screw something up they can get properly punished for it. Note that you still don’t technically have a choice. The list according to the rules must match. This just means if you do take the lazy way out you also have to pay something.
might as well try my hand at this…
Add to the end of the list of actions in the rule “Taxes”:
Each noble gains T/3 Dignity (rounding down), where T is the number of titles that noble has.
Append to the end of the rule “Taxes”:
It is improper to perform any Dynastic action while Time is being Advanced, except for the Advancement.
Also want to prevent people from buying titles once they get the money but before the dignity calculation.
Henri idles out after 11 days of inactivity. Quorum holds steady at 5.
Self-killed and failed by Ienpw III
Adminned at 23 May 2013 15:55:22 UTC
To the end of the list of actions in “Taxes” add the following:
- Each noble gains 2+T/3 Dignity (rounding down), where T is the number of titles that noble has.
Also considering that dignity is now essentially a victory condition and there’re currently few ways to increase it.
Reaches Quorum and Passes 5-0. -RaichuKFM
Adminned at 22 May 2013 16:55:46 UTC
In the rule “Land” Replace
No Noble may take any action that, in part or in entirety, would cause that sum to exceed 110.
No Noble may take any action that, in part or in entirety, would cause that sum to exceed 110 except for the following exceptions: If acquiring a Title would cause the sum to exceed 110, the Noble acquiring the Title instead gains as many parcels as possible without the sum exceeding 110. Nobles may unidle and cause the sum to exceed 110 but then the Noble who unidled immediately loses parcels (starting with their unoccupied parcels) until the sum no longer exceeds 110.
Banning someone from unidling is very bad. Locking up the title game also seems like a negative side effect of this. Should let people get the titles but just no parcels.
Also there are currently 108 parcels, only two more can be gained! Hurry hurry hurry!
Reaches Quorum and Passes 5-0. -RaichuKFM
Adminned at 22 May 2013 16:49:33 UTC
In the rule “Titles” replace
For every Title, the Noble who holds that Title (if there is one) receives 2 Wealth
For every Title, the Noble who holds that Title (if there is one) receives 3 Wealth
in the rule “City” replace
A Title within which a City has been built gives 3 Wealth (instead of 2) when Time Advances.
A Title within which a City has been built gives 4 Wealth (instead of 3) when Time Advances.
The “acquiring titles” portion of the game has all but dried up, I think in part to the fact that if you claim any of the open titles you wind up giving away all your income from it to your Lords. This will hopefully make getting titles a little more attractive for everyone.
I figure we might as well make use of this mechanic so I am going to host the first tournament. I am spending 42 wealth so N is 3.
Timed out and failed by Ienpw III (2-3)
Adminned at 21 May 2013 06:31:20 UTC
Append to the rule “Monarchy”:
The current holder of The Crown is tracked at the top of the Peerage wiki page. A Noble claiming The Crown must announce the claim in a blog post. It is Outrageous for a Noble to claim The Crown more than once per Advancement of Time.
Enact a new subrule of “Monarchy” entitled “Royalty”:
Every Noble has a numerical statistic called “Royalty” and tracked in the GNDT. Royalty is equal to (Knights+TitlesHeld)*(OccupiedParcels+GreatWorks)*(Dignity+Wealth)/(1+TotalParcels), where those factors are pertaining to the individual Noble in question. Any Noble may update each and every Noble’s Royalty at any time, except when Time is being Advanced. The Noble with the highest Royalty value may claim The Crown at any time and is exempt from the rule “Seizing the Crown”, if it exists.
A more hollistic and straightforward approach. Also less gutsy; real King material plays it safe. Is it too late to encourage intrafamilial support?
I’m advancing time.
Wish me luck.
Times out and Fails 1-3 -Larrytheturtle
Adminned at 19 May 2013 07:15:19 UTC
In the rule “Buildings”:
Amend the line that reads:
A Noble’s Influence for a type of Building is B+2E+3D, where B, E, and D are the number of Buildings of that type that they have built within Baronies, Earldoms, and Dukedoms, respectively.
A Noble’s Influence for a type of Building is B+2E+3D+S, where B, E, and D are the number of Buildings of that type that they have built within Baronies, Earldoms, and Dukedoms, respectively. S is outside factors that increase a buildings influence, including hosting a tournament. A noble may, at any time, spend 5 Dignity to increase the influence of on of their buildings by 1 (thus increasing S for that building).
In the subrules to “Buildings”:
Append to Cities:
A Noble with a City Influence of at least 4 also gains (CI - 3) to their total progress each time time advances, where CI is the noble’s City Influence.
Append to Church:
The Noble (P) with the highest church influence, may, once per two time advancements, make any single legal game action a Mandated actions, allowing all nobles, including (P) one time advancement to attempt to complete this Mandated action or suffer the dignity cost of 5 dignity. The (P) is responsible for deducting the appropriate dignity from all offending nobles. If (P) loses their status of having highest Church Influence, any current Mandated action becomes no longer mandated. If no Nobles take a Mandated action (not including P), all of P’s churches are destroyed and P loses 10 dignity.
(a) I wanted to allow other methods for gaining influence. (b) I wanted to give cities and churches and influence perk. (c) because mandated actions seem like a fun (and maybe annoying) idea. Note that mandates can include voting for a proposal, requiring nobles to write proposals, to take the crown, to declare feud, etc. I actually find this ability really amusing. It’s not overpowered, because of the relatively low cost of 5 dignity for not taking a mandated action and the high cost of making an unpopular mandate, but it allows for interesting dynamics, which could be fun.
Times out and passes 4-1 -Larrytheturtle
Adminned at 19 May 2013 07:09:40 UTC
Enact a subrule to “Monarchy” entitled “Seizing the Crown”:
If the crown is currently unoccupied, any noble may take the crown by force by expending 30 of their knights. This number is reduced by 1 per point of influence they have in Training Grounds.
If the crown is occupied, any noble may reduce or increase the total number of knights of the noble who has taken the crown per the rules in “Acts of War”.
It is outrageous for a noble holding the crown to not host a tournament at least once per time advancement. (This only requires proposing a tournament, but does not depend on people actually participating in the tournament).
If any of the following are true the noble who has the crown loses the crown. This check occurs before any other (including victory):
- the Noble holding the crown has no knights
- the Noble holding the crown has less than 50 dignity
Holding of the crown is tracked at the top of the peerage wiki.
It is improper for a noble to harm the noble holding the crown if they are members of the same family.
I think it would be fun to also have a culture victory option, but this should hopefully be a good starting point for a military victory.
Times out and passes 2-0-1 -Larrytheturtle
Adminned at 19 May 2013 07:03:07 UTC
Add the following to the end of rule “Titles”
If a Noble becomes Idle, he automatically relinquishes all Titles he holds as outlined in the rule Relinquishment.
Remove all Titles held by Idle Nobles.
Currently the Barony of Cainhoe is held by QuinnR. But it is also Abeyant as QuinnR is not a noble. So someone else can now buy it. If QuinnR were to rejoin the game, he’d still have the title though as he would suddenly be a noble again and that would create confusion.
Better to just force the sell on idling. If you don’t want to lose everything, don’t idle.
Increasing the wealth of Idle nobles is weird, so if someone comes back we can make a special rule to refund them for the title they lost while they were idle or something.
Timed out passes 5-1—Clucky
Adminned at 21 May 2013 00:42:31 UTC
The only way new Baronies can be created is through the rule which states “If no Abeyant Baronies exist, any Noble may create one with a name of “Baron” or “Baron of”, followed by a unique name from either of the lists on this page (from the column titled “Name of barony”).”
ever since May the 3rd, the Baronies of Little Dunmow, Little Easton and Bolingbroke and been Abeyant yet the so called “Rationality, Earl of Derby” (if that really is his title) created the Barony of Hooton Pagnell (http://blognomic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Peerage&diff=15974&oldid=15970) on May 4th. He has been pretending to live in this imaginary Barony ever sense! Now, everyone has missed this mistake for two weeks. Trying to figure out just how much Wealth and other things he earned from this would be rather complicated. So for fairness purposes:
* All gamestate should exist as if the action taken by Rationality to create the Earldom of Derby and the Barony of Hooton Pagnell was legally performed.
* Remove the Title of Earl of Derby and every Title below it. Give Rationality 5 Wealth.
So basically, we pretend everything went as it actually did for the last two weeks. But force Rationality to sell his earldom he never should’ve been able to obtain and remove the bad titles.
Times out and fails 1-3 -Larrytheturtle
Adminned at 19 May 2013 07:00:51 UTC
Amend the second sentence of “Family Matters” to read as follows:
The valid values for Family are “York”, “Lancaster”, and “Warwick”.
Assign all Nobles with a Family value of “-” a Family value of “Warwick”.
As about a third of us are without a House. Long live Lambert Simnel, son of King Edward IV!
The Noble QuinnR, having not been present at Court for a week, is hereby declared to be Idle! Quorum falls to 9!
It has been four Advancements of Time since the last actions of Feuding between kikar, Duke of York, Earl of Dorset, Baron Weobly, Baron Veralum, Baron of Monmouth and Purplebeard, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Norfolk, Earl of Northumberland, Baron Beanley, Baron Finch; More than enough time has passed to show that the hostility is gone. As such, I declare the Feud annulled. May the ire of the past stay as such.
Times Out and Passes 6-0. -RaichuKFM
Adminned at 18 May 2013 13:33:11 UTC
Append to the rule “Monarchy”:
The first Noble to hold The Crown for at least three consecutive Advancements of Time obtains the title of King.
As long as we’re on the subject, I think it shouldn’t be an instant thing.
Adminned at 17 May 2013 02:31:29 UTC
Make the following a new paragraph in the rule monarchy
If at any time all of the following are true of a single noble, then the noble may obtain the title of king by making a post to that effect.
1. The noble has a dignity rating that is equal to or greater than the average dignity of all nobles and the noble is not a scoundrel.
2. The noble’s income is greater than the average net change in Wealth pursuant to the Rule Taxes the last time that the time was advanced.
3. All members of the house that the noble does not belong to are defenseless.
4. The noble is either The Duke of York or The Duke of Lancaster.
Append the following as a new point at the end of the rule Taxes.
Set each nobles Income to their net change in wealth during this advancement of time.
Make the following a new paragraph in the rule Wealth
Each noble has a numerical status entitled income which is tracked in the GNDT, and defaulting to 0
I think it about time we start to consider this.
Enacted 4-1-1 by Ienpw III
Adminned at 17 May 2013 02:25:32 UTC
Enact a new subrule of “Buildings” entitled “Church”:
The Church is a type of Building that can be built by spending 2 Parcels, one of which must be Occupied, and 2 Wealth. A Noble with a Church may, once per Advancement of Time, give 1 Wealth to the holder of each Title below that of the Church to gain C*T/2 Dignity (rounded up), where C is their Church Influence and T is the number of Titles below that of the Church.