From my point of view, I’m still trying to work out how to best achieve the victory condition. In particular, it’s far from clear that Humans should be helping out Humans (and Androids helping out Androids). Likewise, I couldn’t actually see an advantage from completing missions.

At the time of the first mission, the Human/Android statuses hadn’t been rolled. I decided not to participate to see if I became an Android. Next time I checked BlogNomic, the deadline had passed. However, I also fail to see any benefit that individual humans gain from succeeding missions. It might help out the cause of Humanity as a whole, but the likely only effect of that is to prolong the dynasty.

From the point of view of someone who’s busy, a simpler dynasty gives me more chances to manoeuvre a victory; even as a Human, I benefit from a lack of subroutines, and thus from systems becoming Catastrophic faster.

Also, I note that the only currently rules-defined effect of Bucky’s votable matter (apart from blocking secret dynastic actions, none of which I have taken anyway) is to prevent me helping out with missions. Not to prevent me being selected for them; to prevent me doing anything to help out with them if I am. Thus, Trials seem to be entirely counterproductive in the current ruleset.

All that said, if you guys want to persist in playing Werewolf rather than in playing Nomic, I’m fine with that, and will just sit back and seek chances to win while you’re busy aiming towards the win condition of the wrong game. (I’d like to mention in passing the historical fact that almost every faction-based dynasty is won by a cross-factional alliance. If there are any Werewolves out there who want to form one with me, I’d be happy to.)

Bullshit. I’m sorry but this is totally wrong. As ais523 has said, he has been busy during this Dynasty and has not been able to participate as much. Just cause they are not keeping up with missions doesn’t mean you need to toast them for being an Android. I don’t believe it.        

“if you guys want to persist in playing Werewolf rather than in playing Nomic” - would be more convincing if you were voting or writing proposals.  You’re not.

Brendan and Bucky teaming up like this makes me a little anxious.

The anxiety is a bit tempered by the fact that it’s ais, though, who I was also curious about. His response above convinces me that I should vote - if not because he’s an Android, because he freely admits to working against the Humans as a team, so his continued experience of the game is in any case a net negative for me.

The innocent have nothing to fear, Josh.

Josh seems to have the right of it, and the Mediator is someone that I think I can trust.

Remember we are playing a Nomic - anyone who says the Humans or the Androids are a team without reserve is putting up a false pretense. Ultimately, only one can win. This is factually correct and applies to every player, therefore, ais523 is not harboring anti-Human sentiments.

Sure, but in that case he’s still harbouring anti-me sentiments. Whichever game we’re playing, the sensible response is to get him out of the way.

You seem to be going in really hard in his defence, ayesdeeef. Do you know something the rest of us don’t?

I’m surprised. I thought Brendan was going to vote AGAINST.

@Bucky: I have a tendency to not propose or vote much no matter what nomic I’m in. It’s a deficiency in my style (although it is fun to beat other people with their own rules). It’s also reached the point that when I propose anything at all, other than an emergency fix to the core rules (or if I’m the Emperor), people accuse me of scamming.

I guess I feel bad that he has to sit on the side over a cooked up case, Josh. The lack of cerebral actions is a travesty.

Also, Bucky/Brendan is annoying me, but that’s largely unrelated.