Thursday, January 08, 2009

Proposal: [GNO] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

vetoed—Yoda

Adminned at 08 Jan 2009 14:42:25 UTC

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Comments

Rodlen:

01-08-2009 05:33:19 UTC

I don’t trust this.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 05:34:19 UTC

Really?  Cuz it’s Relic Dusting that you shouldn’t trust.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 05:34:38 UTC

Oops!  Did I say that out loud?

Rodlen:

01-08-2009 05:35:54 UTC

GNO is the first faction I’ll enter.

Klisz:

01-08-2009 05:36:37 UTC

for  By the way, I hereby join GNO’s BLO.

Klisz:

01-08-2009 05:37:31 UTC

Never mind. GNO’s GNO.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 05:39:01 UTC

for explicit author for

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Klisz:

01-08-2009 05:44:41 UTC

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Bucky:

01-08-2009 06:17:04 UTC

for

Clucky:

01-08-2009 07:18:58 UTC

Sorry, won’t work.  against

Rolden and others—they are trying to give the tool known as Darth Cliche victory by claiming they can use the BLO and MIC *within* GNO to bypass quorum rules.

Clucky:

01-08-2009 07:32:45 UTC

An exception to this is a proposal which isn’t a Faction Post.

fail. I’d say nice try, but it wasn’t really.

Rodlen:

01-08-2009 07:57:51 UTC

Heh.  This actually does fail completely.

You see, this is a GNO proposal.  It can only effect the GNO relic.

Amnistar:

01-08-2009 14:49:55 UTC

indeed, and, can only affect the GNO gamestate, not the full gamestate.

Klisz:

01-08-2009 14:54:51 UTC

against  CoV

Yoda:

01-08-2009 15:32:59 UTC

I thought you would say somthing like that.

1) According to GNO, this is not a faction post as a faction post within GNO would be of the form [GNO][Faction].

2) This can affect more than just the GNO relic because we have our own BLO, GNO, and MIC within GNO.

Klisz:

01-08-2009 16:09:50 UTC

CoV for

Klisz:

01-08-2009 16:50:42 UTC

To quote the ruleset: “Only a faction proposal belonging to the same faction as the relic may create or change any rule regarding the relic.”

This doesn’t create or change any rules regarding the relics - it just gives me them.

Therefore, we don’t even need to use the subfactions. If this is enacted, I win.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 17:03:55 UTC

Nice interpretation, Darth.

Klisz:

01-08-2009 17:14:37 UTC

3-1.

Clucky:

01-08-2009 17:39:22 UTC

It is still a faction post though. Any post starting with [faction] is a faction post. Even if it isn’t a faction post in GNO, it is still a faction post and so cannot hand out relics.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 17:55:50 UTC

What Darth is saying is that it says nothing about directly giving the relics to someone, just creating or changing rules regarding relics.  Therefore, this proposal is legal because it does not create or change any rules regarding relics.

Amnistar:

01-08-2009 19:34:28 UTC

“If a faction’s ruleset gives a citizen the relic belonging to that faction, this applies to all gamestates.”

unfortunately, this is not true if you give yourself a relic from another faction.  In the over-arching gamestate, you don’t actually get the other relics, just yours.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 20:13:54 UTC

But nothing explicitly says that.  The relics in general apply to all gamestates simply because they are in the Blognomic Ruleset.  There is no rule that says that one faction cannot directly grant another faction’s relic.

Rodlen:

01-08-2009 20:28:18 UTC

Faction posts are only within their own gamestate, and can’t effect anything outside of it.  Each faction ruleset is only in one gamestate.  The relics are each part of a faction, and in that faction’s gamestate.  Attempts to get relics from factions outside of yours count as outside of your faction’s gamestate, as they effect outside factions.  Plus, MIC could just give away their relic after Darth gets it.

Rodlen:

01-08-2009 20:28:41 UTC

against

Rodney:

01-08-2009 21:58:14 UTC

for I have no idea what this says. I am not even going to decrpyt it, but as a simple sheepish rubber-stamp voter I will vote for this. Let the chaos continue.

Bucky:

01-08-2009 22:26:22 UTC

CoV against , since Darth Cliche objects.

Yoda:

01-08-2009 22:42:06 UTC

veto since DC went idle