Wednesday, January 30, 2013

Proposal: Amending Proposals

Reaches quorum 11-0 and is enacted. -scshunt

Adminned at 31 Jan 2013 13:39:27 UTC

Enact a new rule entitled “Deliberation”:

Any Honourable Member may submit a Deliberation to alter the text of any pending Proposal or Deliberation by posting an entry in the “Deliberation” category that describes those changes (unless the Honourable Member already has a Deliberation pending, or has already submitted 3 Votable Matters that day).

Deliberations are Votable Matters and as such are governed by Rule 1.5 (“Votable Matters”). Deliberations cannot be Vetoed or Self-Killed. Any pending Deliberation may be enacted by any Admin if any of the following are true:

  • It has been open for voting for at least 12 hours and has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal Quorum.
  • It has been open for voting for at least 24 hours, it has more than 1 valid Vote cast on it, and more valid Votes cast on it are FOR than are AGAINST.

Any pending Deliberation may be failed by any Admin, if any of the following are true:

  • It could not be Enacted without either one of the Votes AGAINST it being changed, or the set of Honourable Members being changed, or by awaiting the passage of time.
  • It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours and cannot be Enacted.
  • Its target Proposal or Deliberation has been resolved.

Create a new votable matter post category called “Deliberation” in accordance with the above.

Meant primarily to quickly fix minor changes that break a whole Proposal. Also could allow collaboration on a pending Proposal. Make the most of that slot!

posted by Skju at 30 Jan 2013 03:47:25 UTC Comments (15)

Comments

Skju:

30-01-2013 03:54:42 UTC

In case there’s any confusion, there’s no need to veto/self-kill a Deliberation; just do it on the target Proposal.

Spitemaster:

30-01-2013 03:57:12 UTC

for I quite like this idea.

Larrytheturtle:

30-01-2013 04:16:04 UTC

for

scshunt:

30-01-2013 04:18:45 UTC

for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for  for
Consequences? What are those?

nqeron:

30-01-2013 05:05:22 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

30-01-2013 10:46:24 UTC

Erk. Okay.  for

RaichuKFM: she/her

30-01-2013 11:22:59 UTC

for I suppose…

Purplebeard:

30-01-2013 11:32:10 UTC

for

Patrick:

30-01-2013 12:08:42 UTC

for

Cpt_Koen:

30-01-2013 15:29:32 UTC

“Any pending Deliberation may be failed by any Admin, if any of the following are true:

* It could not be Enacted without either one of the Votes AGAINST it being changed, or the set of Honourable Members being changed, or by awaiting the passage of time.”

I believe this means that any admin may fail a Deliberation if it has been pending for less than 12h, or if it has been pending for less than 24h and the number of FOR votes does not equal or exceed quorum…

for, though.

nqeron:

30-01-2013 16:49:11 UTC

Perhaps, as with proposals, it should read, “The oldest pending ...” or something like that.

Klisz:

30-01-2013 21:05:26 UTC

for

Skju:

31-01-2013 01:17:14 UTC

scshunt, there are no Credibility consequences for the same reason there’s no veto/self-kill: a Deliberation cannot stand alone.

Cpt_Koen, I interpret that condition to mean that if the number of AGAINST votes equals or exceeds Quorum then the matter can be failed because it cannot pass without more FOR votes than are possible.

nqeron, the Proposal queue is one of the things that Deliberations are meant to help with. If they had to be resolved chronologically, there’s a much greater chance that a target Proposal has already been resolved when the Deliberation comes around, making it useless.

Cpt_Koen:

31-01-2013 14:01:45 UTC

Skju: my point is that in the first place, a Deliberation cannot be enacted without “awaiting the passage of time”, since it can only be enacted if either of the following is true:

* It has been open for voting for at least 12 hours and has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal Quorum.
* It has been open for voting for at least 24 hours, it has more than 1 valid Vote cast on it, and more valid Votes cast on it are FOR than are AGAINST.

So if a Deliberation has been pending for less than 12 hours, then it cannot be enacted without awaiting the passage of time… And thus it can be failed, notwithstanding how many FOR votes it received.

scshunt:

31-01-2013 16:16:49 UTC

Cpt_Koen: But more people could just cast votes FOR.