I defer. The last dynasty’s implementation of hooks was unusual: the existence of Arguments meant that the name of a hook was meaningful, but the ability to define them meant that they need not otherwise match their names.  Also, it didn’t work well with implicit definitions, where there was a way to gain the hook as a game state.

  I personally think Hooks shouldn’t continue beyond the previous dynasty.

  I think that hooks could continue as long as there is a limitation on how many there are, or how to propose them. Specifically so that there aren’t too many of them.

I might support hooks as a dynastic rule, but I think it’s too early to put it in the core ruleset.  Also, there’s apparently some confusion over what constitutes defining or explaining something (see the comments on http://blognomic.com/archive/dywypi/)

We have always had hooks; this proposal does nothing but create a consistent shorthand to identify them.  Unlike last dynasty, nothing here encourages hooks.  If anything, this makes it easier to ban them.

There’s nothing wrong with this rule.  We’re too caught up in what hooks were in the last dynasty, when the whole point was to come up with unusual hooks.  The number of hooks won’t get out of control because, as spikebrennan said, nothing here encourages them.

(per tiberias)

Look- all this rule really does is acknowledge the use of curly braces around a word or phrase that’s proposed to be added to the ruleset, as shorthand for saying “Yes, I know that I’m not defining that rule or phrase.  We’ll get to that later.”  This happens all the time—all this is doing is suggesting a shorthand for that particular kind of explanation.

I’m still against per Tiberias, and considering a veto.

I am against specifying that shorthand, as I think it encourages the hook-usage from the last dynasty. If it happens all the time and there has never been a rule for it before, and it doesn’t create a loophole or contradiction in the rules, let it ride.

I agree with Tiberias

  Per Lilomar and Tiberias.

for what it’s worth.  It would make more sense with only a few hooks rather than an explosion of them.

I prefer the standard “notice something undefined - define it”

Ugh.

Should we really be putting core mechanics of dynasties force-killed by proposals in the ruleset?