Wednesday, July 16, 2025

Proposal: Greg Davies’ Eyebrows

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST/REVISE. Failed 1 vote to 6 by Kevan.

Adminned at 17 Jul 2025 16:13:28 UTC

To the rule “Scoring”, add two paragraphs:-

A Wordsmith’s Pool is made up of the most recent Scorings they have made on each Backronym that was posted since the last time an Acrogenerate action was performed. If a Wordsmith’s Pool contains five different numbers (or no repeated numbers), then that Wordsmith is considered Balanced, otherwise they are considered Askew.

(If the current Acronym is DARKENED then all Wordsmiths are considered Balanced; this overrides the previous paragraph. Any Wordsmith may repeal this paragraph if the current Acronym is not DARKENED.)

Then replace “For each Wordsmith that posted a Scoring to that Backronym” with:-

For each Balanced Wordsmith that posted a Scoring to that Backronym

Requiring players to spread their scores across the range 1 through 5, in order for those ratings to be counted.

Comments

JonathanDark: Puzzler he/him

16-07-2025 16:29:37 UTC

There’s more than 5 Wordsmiths to post Scorings to, so there will always be repeated numbers unless a Wordsmith skips Scoring and takes the -1 penalty for doing so.

It might be easier to say “at least once instance of each number from 1 to 5 inclusive”

Kevan: he/him

16-07-2025 16:39:02 UTC

“Contains” is intended to be read as that set being contained in it somewhere, rather than the Pool matching that exactly: a Pool of “1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5” contains five different numbers, in the same way that it contains the number 3.

The repeated numbers clause is there to cover the unlikely but not impossible situation where there are fewer than five players/Backronyms.

Bucky:

16-07-2025 16:40:36 UTC

I would interpret the strategic incentive to be Balanced, which isn’t explicit in the ruleset, as less important than the “should” requirement to make honest scorings; this is likely to randomly disenfranchise me as a scorer in some round where I can’t reasonably justify giving anyone a 1.

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

16-07-2025 16:48:11 UTC

I’d personally prefer this with four out of the five numbers being required instead of a full set

Kevan: he/him

16-07-2025 16:55:37 UTC

[Bucky] Fair, although it’s the Scoring as a whole that the ruleset is asking for reflection in, rather than the numerical Score, so perhaps a comment of “Score 1 but I would have given this a 2 otherwise” would salve your ruletext conscience.

I am just tired of Raven (for the fourth round in a row) ignoring that same request for reflection, and indiscriminately scoring everything as a 5.

JonathanDark: Puzzler he/him

16-07-2025 17:48:01 UTC

I think changing this to 4 different numbers as TDS suggested would make this more fair.  arrow

Kevan: he/him

16-07-2025 18:01:37 UTC

I don’t think it’s a question of fairness, it’s just changing the grading system to be on a curve. The question shifts from “how would you rate each of these Backronyms out of 5 in isolation” to “rank these in order, one must be (possibly tied) worst and one best”.

It’d make the scoring more generous in some situations. If we get dealt a particularly horrible acronym, it means we all have to pick someone out as having made the best job of it, rather than giving everyone 1s and 2s.

JonathanDark: Puzzler he/him

16-07-2025 18:03:07 UTC

It’s just that a 1 carries special consequences, potentially triggering a Flop. I don’t think that the worst Backronym among the Wordsmiths necessarily deserves to be a Flop.

Josh: he/they

16-07-2025 18:10:57 UTC

arrow Per Bucky. Although there’s a large chunk of me that wants to move on from this and sees the only real way through being to directly idle Raven by CfJ, and bar them from rejoining the dynasty.

Bucky:

16-07-2025 19:29:25 UTC

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aria: she/they

16-07-2025 21:38:59 UTC

[JonathanDark] It’s just that a 1 carries special consequences, potentially triggering a Flop. I don’t think that the worst Backronym among the Wordsmiths necessarily deserves to be a Flop.

arrow per JonathanDark and TDS

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

16-07-2025 21:49:40 UTC

arrow Per me earlier

Darknight: he/him

16-07-2025 22:46:24 UTC

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JonathanDark: Puzzler he/him

16-07-2025 22:47:16 UTC

This might become a moot point with “The direct approach”

Bucky:

17-07-2025 02:56:18 UTC

>I don’t think it’s a question of fairness, it’s just changing the grading system to be on a curve.

Kevan, my main problem is it doesn’t actually change the grading system. It keeps the grading system the same and then throws out the graders it doesn’t like.

Chiiika: she/her

17-07-2025 03:30:05 UTC

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