Wednesday, July 20, 2016

Call for Judgment: A Leader We Can Trust

Times out and enacts 3-2. -RaichuKFM

Adminned at 22 Jul 2016 22:46:54 UTC

Replace all instances of “Leader” in the rule “Ruleset Theft” and all of its subrules (if they exist) with “Editor”

The rule “Apocrypha” clearly states: Upon selecting such a rule, they may copy its text and add it as a new Dynastic Rule to the current Ruleset, replacing the terms for Emperor-analog and Player-analog with “Editor” and “Scribe” as appropriate.

Looking at ruleset, “Leader” was the Emperor-analog for that dynasty.

As such, Brendan should’ve replaced Leader with Editor when they added Ruleset Theft to the rules


Brendan: he/him

20-07-2016 22:49:17 UTC

against I did not feel it was “appropriate,” as a metadynasty does not have an emperor in the same sense that a normal dynasty does.

It would also be difficult to run this Dynasty with an idle player (Kevan) as Editor.

Clucky: he/him

20-07-2016 22:55:53 UTC

I take “as appropriate” in that circumstance to mean “replace the Emperor-analog with Editor and the Player analog with Scribe” not “replace the ones that the Editor feels are appropriate to replace”—its referring to the appropriate replacement, not a the replacement you feel is appropriate to make.

RaichuKFM: she/her

20-07-2016 23:09:50 UTC

against I’m with Brendan, here.

Though, it wouldn’t be too hard to fix, otherwise, we’d simply have to hold an election.


20-07-2016 23:24:11 UTC



21-07-2016 02:20:44 UTC

for ; replacing Leader was appropriate per the parallel clause in that ruleset’s version of “Victory and Ascension”, so the Editor was obligated to perform that substitution.

I strongly suggest a fix to the Kevan issue by proposal before Elections ceases to be Provisional, though.

RaichuKFM: she/her

21-07-2016 02:40:10 UTC

imperial I don’t really know, anymore, then. Abstaining while I think about it.

Also, I made a Proposal to do that.

Brendan: he/him

21-07-2016 17:51:17 UTC

It doesn’t matter that Elections is Provisional for the purposes of the Kevan clause, which does not directly cause anyone to achieve victory, modify voting, alter rules or contradict a non-Provisional rule (there is no rule saying that I hold my position; it’s gamestate, not ruleset). It simply makes an idle player Editor.

Brendan: he/him

21-07-2016 17:51:46 UTC

Or would, anyway, if this passed.


21-07-2016 22:22:21 UTC

It contradicts 1.3 - “Each Dynasty may be headed by a single Scribe, known as the Editor.”  You were the Editor at the start of the Dynasty, and therefore there can’t be any other Editors for the rest of it.

RaichuKFM: she/her

22-07-2016 22:45:35 UTC

for Yeah, okay, after some thought I think Bucky is right, with the bit about it being parallel.

Not that that uh. Matters, anymore.