BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

Per “Clean Slate”.

The whole point is that clean slate doesn’t reset wikipages. You can just claim “there is a rule called clean slate that is intended to give everyone a clean slate, therefore everyone gets a clean slate”. The rule was poorly written and I took advantage of it.

Clean Slate is poorly written and ambiguous, and needs to be firmed up. But, as it stands right now, I am interpreting “previous accomplishments” to encompass any player-specific data on a wiki page.

The wikipage has the same content. It is not a “previous accomplishment”. A “previous accomplishment” would be something like “I sold this dungpile and the rule said whoever sells a giant dung pile wins, so I win”. This is just reading off a piece of gamestate.

In the past, we’ve had issues with people editing a wikipage before it becomes gamestate and abusing it that way, which is now we clear wikipages before creating them. This is no different. The rule was just poorly worded.

I basically just don’t agree with your interpretation.

What is there to not agree with? The section of the toybox under my name belongs to me. It was prefilled out for me. It wasn’t a ‘previous achievement’. Write better rules, don’t retroactively changes the rules just because you failed at writing them the first time.

I didn’twrite this rule, although your attempt at charm is noted.

That statement was directed at the nomic as a whole, not you in general. No one has provided any explanation of how the “Clucky” section of the Toybox can refer to anyone but me other than “the spirit of clean state was supposed to stop this”

If two players join the game with the same (or typographically identical) name then this would result in the same problem. Fortunately the Toybox page is split into sections by player but does not necessarily need to strictly use those players’ names as their title headings, so title headings in the toybox page don’t strictly need to refer to players by name.

EE wouldn’t two players with the same name.

I still don’t get how that section could belong to a different clucky. The way clean slate is worded, the clucky from dynasty 86 is not a different player than the one now, his accomplishes just don’t count. The toybox doesn’t track “accomplishes” though, its just a piece of gamestate with a section belonging to clucky, i.e. me.

“EE wouldn’t allow” is not a ruleset argument.

The section marked Clucky is not required to refer to anyone specifically. Clucky could be an unrelated signifier. The ruleset does not require that section to belong to you just because it bears your name.

Sloppily worded rules, loopholes being unfair, etc etc

So what would have stopped someone else that dynasty from just being like “oh, clucky’s section is actually mine. yay” the your section belongs to you seems fairly obvious to me. And because I’m the same Clucky, it still belongs to me.

But you’re entering that Dynasty as a new player, so how can you be the same Clucky?

I’m entering as a new player, just as a special new player that already had an entry in the gamestate document. Nothing says “new players entries get cleared when they join”.

after careful consideration as the other result makes no sense.

.  This was the intended interpretation of the surrogate wiki pages.

Uh, CoV .  This would work as described, except that you forgot to create the Surrogate Wiki Page so it’s still blank.

Crap, I completely forgot about surrogate wiki pages. ” If a rule from a past Dynasty would reference or modify such a document, it instead references or modifies the subpage of that document found by adding “/dynasty100” to the end of its URL.”

Per Bucky.

So you want to delay everything on a technicality? The /dynasty100 page is exactly the same, no changes have happened to it. My understanding is it only needed to be created if changes were to happen.

Actually Clucky there’s nothing to say that Surrogate pages have the same content as the originals.

Apologies, I misread that. Nevermind.