Thursday, November 30, 2023

Proposal: A Persuasive Argument

Withdrawn. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 01 Dec 2023 21:43:00 UTC

If the proposal “Black Rod” failed, this proposal does nothing. Otherwise:

Create a rule called Bribery as a subrule of Tyngwall, with the following text:

As an Act of Subterfuge, any Heir may Bribe the Parliamentarians. When you do so, you should privately communicate with the Old King to state which Existing Business you wish to influence, and whether you wish to increase or decrease support for it.

You may only Bribe the Parliamentarians three times for a given Meeting of Tyngwall.

If desired, up to three times per week, you may decrease your Reputation by 4 in order to imply that that you have performed a Bribe the Parliamentarians action without being required to actually follow through with that Bribe.

In the rule Tyngwall, replace “For each piece of Existing Business, how many non-Heir Parliamentarians support it and how many oppose it;” with
“For each piece of Existing Business, how many non-Heir Parliamentarians support it and how many oppose it as per the rule Support;”

Create a rule called Support as a subrule of Tyngwall, with the following text:

For a given piece of Existing Business, the number of non-Heir Parliamentarians that support it and how many oppose it should be calculated as follows:
* First, generate a random number from 0 to the number of non-heir Parliamentarians inclusive; this is the number of initial supporters.
* If nobody has Bribed the Parliamentarians to influence that particular Existing Business, take no further steps for this Existing Business. Otherwise:
* From oldest Bribe to newest, add 10 to the supporters for each Bribe that was to increase support, and subtract 10 for each Bribe that was to decrease support.
** If a given Bribe would move the number of Supporters to an invalid value, it should instead move it to the closest valid value to that invalid value.

Delete all but the first sentence of the rule Reputation, and replace the deleted text with:

Whenever an Heir performs an Act of Subterfuge atomic action, they lose 4 reputation.

Whenever an Heir gains a claim as a direct result of one of the steps of an Act of Subterfuge atomic action that they performed, they lose an additional 4 reputation.

Whenever an Heir begins meeting the conditions of a claim, if they did so outside of an Act of Subterfuge atomic action, they gain 4 reputation.

Whenever an Heir loses a claim, they lose 4 reputation.

This is an attempt to give the average player some sway in the Tyngwall. I wouldn’t object on principle to there being some kind of penalty for people inside the Tyngwall trying to bribe, or for there to be some ability for people outside the Tyngwall to propose New Business, but this was already getting wordy and I only have the one slot right now.

Comments

SingularByte: he/him

30-11-2023 10:07:42 UTC

Actually, just spotted, there’s no cost to the acts of subterfuge since it only cares about whether you gain or lose claims. I’m going to try and redraft this within the 4 hour window, so expect changes.

SingularByte: he/him

30-11-2023 10:13:02 UTC

Okay, that should do it.

Kevan: City he/him

30-11-2023 10:59:03 UTC

“As an Act of Subterfuge, may Bribe the Parliamentarians.” - who may?

SingularByte: he/him

30-11-2023 11:09:30 UTC

Fixed

Desertfrog:

30-11-2023 17:14:58 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

30-11-2023 18:37:27 UTC

for

Kevan: City he/him

01-12-2023 09:54:00 UTC

On closer reading this doesn’t seem to establish how many Parliamentarians oppose a piece of Business, only how many support it? With randomised support and zero opposition, all Business will pass.

I can’t see any explicit statement in this proposal or Black Rod to say that if a Parliamentarian isn’t supporting a piece of Business, they must be opposing it. Abstention would be an equally natural reading there.

against

SingularByte: he/him

01-12-2023 13:34:53 UTC

That one’s an oversight, rather than an intentional scam. Still, I should probably withdraw this and try again in a future proposal.  against