Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Proposal: Advancing

Vetoed ~ southpointingchariot

Adminned at 21 Mar 2012 19:51:07 UTC

Add to rule “The End”:

The end of the game will occur when the Ansible is back on-line.

Still undefined and abstract, but advances spc’s idea of setting a target.

Comments

Purplebeard:

20-03-2012 16:26:55 UTC

Er, I think this would end the nomic if triggered, as the word ‘game’ appears in the core rules a couple of times and seems to refer to the game of Blognomic there.

Murphy:

20-03-2012 16:40:09 UTC

Rule 2.7 has the same problem.  Suggest blanket fix via new appendix entry.

Klisz:

20-03-2012 17:53:57 UTC

against

Patrick:

20-03-2012 20:01:41 UTC

against  Umm.. I’m not quite sure but if this rule passes will anybody be able to say “I put the ansible back online” or will we need another rule telling us how we can get the ansible back online?

southpointingchariot:

20-03-2012 20:25:36 UTC

for wording issues aside, themed 100% correct.

@Patrick, no, “The Ruleset and Gamestate can only be altered in manners specified by the Ruleset.”

scshunt:

20-03-2012 20:29:40 UTC

against per Purplebeard.

Doctor29:

20-03-2012 22:28:49 UTC

against
1) I think having only one victory condition is the best idea
and
2) Putting the ansible back up really has to be defined. Thanks for pointing that out Patrick!

Patrick:

20-03-2012 22:30:58 UTC

@Doctor29: There isn’t a victory condition yet though, just the statement:
“At the end of the game, first, the Player with the most Councilmen gains one tenth of the total amount of Power owned by all other players combined.
Then, the Player with the most Power wins.”

It tells us what happens at the end of the game, but not what triggers the end of the game.

Patrick:

20-03-2012 22:31:23 UTC

CoV imperial

Cpt_Koen:

21-03-2012 00:18:36 UTC

for
@southpointingchariot: Yes, and “The end of the game will occur when the Ansible is back on-line.” will be part of the ruleset and specifies of a way to end the game.

southpointingchariot:

21-03-2012 00:37:18 UTC

@koen, but my point was, “the ansible being put back on line” can not be achieved just by someone announcing it.

Cpt_Koen:

21-03-2012 01:14:01 UTC

Well, we don’t know yet how the ansible can be back on-line, which is kind of the point of this proposal, right?
But if a future rule says “Whenever the Net announces that the Ansible is back on-line, it is.”, then it could be achieve just by you announcing it.

omd:

21-03-2012 02:26:56 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

21-03-2012 10:28:19 UTC

against “Ansible” isn’t defined as gamestate (its alteration is not regulated) or as a keyword, so we’d just use the standard English meaning of it, which could go badly.

Cpt_Koen:

21-03-2012 16:27:16 UTC

I don’t think we’ll ever have any problems with a standard hypothetical machine capable of instantaneous or superluminal communication.
So until the ruleset mentions how to put the Ansible back online, this rule will have no effect, and when it does, its alteration will be regulated, so no problems either.

southpointingchariot:

21-03-2012 16:50:55 UTC

@koen arrow

Klisz:

21-03-2012 16:55:07 UTC

It still seems like a bad idea to speak of ending the game, no matter how unlikely it is that it actually happens. I, for one, don’t want to take the risk.

Kevan: he/him

21-03-2012 17:02:55 UTC

[Koen] Well, there’s also an “online” website called Ansible, which seems to be the only non-fictional usage of the noun. I’d rather not risk a rules lawyer being able to prove that BlogNomic has now “ended”, just for the sake of whatever flavour reference is being made here.

Josh: Observer he/they

21-03-2012 18:44:16 UTC

against per Kevan.

southpointingchariot:

21-03-2012 19:08:52 UTC

veto Though I like the concept, the idea of accidentally breaking everything is bad. I’ve been thinking about what the ending mechanic should be - any thoughts? I’d prefer something beyond the “someone has a lot of stuff” or “x amount of time” systems.

ChronosPhaenon:

21-03-2012 21:08:04 UTC

I guess this is salvageable if we define Ansible and change “game” for whatever we choose to change it for?

Cpt_Koen:

21-03-2012 23:45:31 UTC

I’m against defining the Ansible so soon.
I think your proposal is fine, the only problem is the “game” thing.

southpointingchariot:

22-03-2012 02:47:11 UTC

veto