Asking other players to cast votes to support a do-over, where you presumably feel that this mistake has affected your chances of winning the game, sounds like it goes against “Seekers are expected to avoid co-operating to achieve Victory”.

I’ve made a costly mistake myself recently by missing a rule, but assumed that I was expected to live with that.

Clucky also posted that he found this NOT to be aesthetically pleasing after the fact…. so I’m confused by the call to make it aesthetically pleasing.

@NadNavillus seeing a shitty soulless piece of technology trying to pretend that it can actually make a statement about what is or isn’t art give something a high score inherently taints any art it tries to rate. Had I rated the image when I posted it, I probably would’ve called it atheistically pleasing but by the time I would’ve made my second comment that was no longer the case

@Kevan isn’t by that same logic getting people to vote against this also expecting people to co-operate with you in order for you to achieve victory?

So if you truly feel that is the case, the proper thing to do would be for you to not vote

I honestly find the “voting is cooperating” argument a bit silly - but I suppose if it keeps coming up then we may need to patch in a “no, voting for something isn’t the same as cooperating on it” clause.

Since at the time of this vote you have stated twice that you find this snap to be aesthetically unappealing but are calling for it to be aesthtically appealing, I am voting against.

Given the sci-fi/techno theme of the snap I offered my comment as a joke which I can see you didn’t’ enjoy.  I’ll refrain from scoring photos with any bots in the future.  However, claiming my scoring of this shot interferes with your subjective evaluation is a bit of a stretch.

The rules require me to be honest about my feelings. Part of the beauty of art is that the context you view it in can change your perspective of it.

Not sure why I should be punished for honestly evaluating trying to evaluate both my feelings at the time the snap was posted and my feelings now. 

I don’t have an issue with this CfJ asking to treat Clucky’s response as aesthetically pleasing. Strictly speaking, none of his comments on the Shot were legal dynastic actions, so he never made a legal action with his aesthetic like/dislike. It’s just random flavor text until it’s associated with a legal action.

I commented without voting the first time to get some clarification. I can’t get into anybody’s head.

Trying to nail aesthetics into consistent scoring has been problematic. Doing so retrospectively leads to a lot of “probably”‘s and “would have”‘s and more.  Factoring in changing feelings on top of that on a post by post basis is a wild ride.

I don’t think I can be objective on this one so I will defer to the group.

I am convinced by Kevan’s rhetorical point that there are limits to what is required by sportsmanship.

note to self: when you make an honest mistake don’t call it out. better to stay quiet about it and hope someone else notices

like we have had plenty of cases in the past where we have used CfJs to rectify honest mistakes like this. Why the sudden change in policy?

Yeah, I’m not unsympathetic to that. I’m wavering on the fence as to whether this is norm-breaking or not - for me there’s a distinction that is really acute in Kevan’s CfJ around subordinate effects, or the distinction between spotting a mistake and acting to correct it, and spotting the mistake possibly after a few more moves have played out and then trying to correct it. Kevan’s is clearly on the wrong side of the line for me, to the extent where I’n baffled that you’re voting FOR it. Yours is sort of dancing around the issue; there was a second action but it all happened so quickly that it’s still in the realm of a single coherent mistake incident.

I’m also struggling a bit with the delta of being Emperor, having Dynastic Distance off, and there being a decisive DEF on the proposal, making every choice I make swing the vote to a specific outcome.

All in all I end up in a position of: if in doubt, play on from where the ball currently is. I’m sure I’ll come to regret this next time I make a booboo but such is life, I can live with the consequences of this choice.

“play on from where the ball currently is” suggests the right thing to do when you make a mistake is to simply ignore it and hope no one else notices

I would personally find that unethical but yes, it may be the optimal path - as would be true in many games.