Friday, October 21, 2011

Proposal: All Together Now 2

Possibly Illegal due to being a Work of Art; however, it is kept open in case For The Love Of Suber passes. -Bucky

Proposal is a Work of Art, and therefore illegal. -Ornithopter

Adminned at 22 Oct 2011 14:31:53 UTC

So I’m finally getting ready to actually go to bed, and decide to check one last time on a controversy I fear will destroy the nomic I have just started playing, when I see that Bucky has performed perhaps the greatest move I personally have ever seen in a nomic. However, the isue which in some ways inspired the controversy remains unsolved. Rule 3.2 still has the difficult language regarding categorization of official posts. Though Works of Art are no longer in play, this issue could easily come up again - I could see a similar argument being made concerning Faction posts.

After some discussion with more experienced players, I have concluded that we are attempting to solve the 3.2 conflict from entirely the wrong end. Banning official posts from being in any other official category not only generates bugs, but prohibits all sorts of interesting and good ideas. It is not only impractical, but unwise to universally prevent posts from being in multiple categories. While scams may be possible using certain combinations, dangerous combinations should be banned specifically. Do we really want to prevent all rules which classify official posts?

One concern that was brought up was a potential scam involving posts that were simultaneously DoVs and CfJs, and perhaps Proposals as well. Thus, remove the complete prohibition on categorization of official posts by changing, in rule 3.2,

A proposal, or declaration of victory cannot simultaneously be any other type of official post unless otherwise specified by dynastic rules.

to

No entry may be more than one of the following official types of post: Proposal, Call for Judgement, and Declaration of Victory.

 

The idea here is that the solution to a potential controversy is to get rid of the ban on categorizing posts, clearing up the current bugs and opening up the game. I would argue that our core posts should be in play for hierarchical and webbed categorization.

Comments

Klisz:

10-21-2011 05:37:19 UTC

for You know, I think admins can change ‘Call for Justice’ to ‘Call for Judgement’.

omd:

10-21-2011 05:38:09 UTC

I’d like to note that the “greatest move [southpointingchariot] personally [has] ever seen in a nomic” is an excellent example of the type of core rules scam that normally belongs to Agora, and similar scams will be encouraged (if not against the core rules) in the Agoran dynasty. :p

Darknight:

10-21-2011 05:38:51 UTC

imperial

omd:

10-21-2011 05:38:57 UTC

anyway,  for

Bucky:

10-21-2011 05:39:24 UTC

for

Ienpw III:

10-21-2011 05:47:54 UTC

against The preamble should not be enforced as gamestate, please.

Qwazukee:

10-21-2011 09:35:32 UTC

against

scshunt:

10-21-2011 09:39:23 UTC

against per ienpw

Shadowclaw:

10-21-2011 10:12:57 UTC

against

Wooble:

10-21-2011 11:27:18 UTC

imperial

CWW:

10-21-2011 11:40:13 UTC

against

southpointingchariot:

10-21-2011 12:29:05 UTC

Comex: Your points is fair - but impressive as it is, I would not want to base a nomic, or a dynasty, on that style of play. It may be impressive to see a man narrowly avoid being gored by a bull, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to do it recreationally on a regular basis.

Prince Anduril:

10-21-2011 12:38:28 UTC

for

Kevan:

10-21-2011 12:41:26 UTC

for

ChronosPhaenon:

10-21-2011 14:51:00 UTC

for

Roujo:

10-21-2011 15:03:16 UTC

@southpointingchariot: Nice analogy. =P for

Pavitra:

10-21-2011 15:19:45 UTC

against per Ienpw III

Bucky:

10-21-2011 17:15:41 UTC

for

Ornithopter:

10-21-2011 17:37:10 UTC

for

Josh:

10-22-2011 10:22:43 UTC

for

Kevan:

10-22-2011 10:59:47 UTC

for

Elias IX:

10-22-2011 15:52:19 UTC

for

flurie:

10-22-2011 15:53:46 UTC

for

Clucky:

10-22-2011 18:04:52 UTC

what Ienpw III said against

Ornithopter:

10-22-2011 20:08:14 UTC

Admins: note that this proposal is illegal and is being held open due to potential retroactive legality from the CfJ “FOR THE LOVE OF SUBER”. Please do not enact this unless that passes.