Monday, October 24, 2011

Proposal: Allow generic references

Failed, More AGAINST than FOR votes after 48 hours—arthexis

Adminned at 25 Oct 2011 20:10:09 UTC

Insert the following definitions into Rule 3.1, maintaining alphabetical order of keywords:

Emperor
  Generic synonym of Critic.

Player
  Generic synonym of Artist.

and append this text to the first paragraph:

A keyword defined in this glossary as a generic synonym is not affected (but the text of its definition is affected normally) by the replacement of a term with a theme-specific term throughout the entire ruleset.

If the terms Artist and Critic have been renamed since the creation of this proposal, then replace the same terms throughout the above text with their current versions.

 

This would allow theme-independent proposals or CfJs to use “Player” and “Emperor” without needing to worry about the terms changing prior to passage.

Comments

zuff: Idle

24-10-2011 03:19:56 UTC

for

Darknight: he/him

24-10-2011 03:20:33 UTC

imperial

Clucky: he/himIdle

24-10-2011 03:30:58 UTC

Then why define as something special at all?  against

redtara: they/themIdle

24-10-2011 03:35:40 UTC

for

zuff: Idle

24-10-2011 03:40:34 UTC

Clucky: Huh?

arthexis: he/himIdle

24-10-2011 04:10:16 UTC

for Not sure how useful it is, but why not?

Bucky: Idle

24-10-2011 04:12:12 UTC

for

omd: Idle

24-10-2011 04:28:45 UTC

against The rules (or possibly just core rules) should use either Critic or Emperor, but not both inconsistently.

zuff: Idle

24-10-2011 04:41:06 UTC

CoV imperial; this would be more compelling if you could delete or replace parts of rules without worrying that their keywords might have changed. Some kind of proposal-level textual synonym mechanism. That sounds quite vulnerable to exploits, though…

Klisz: Idle

24-10-2011 05:07:56 UTC

imperial You know, if someone changes the keywords to actually be Emperor and Player, then next dynasty, the glossary will have them replaced too…

Klisz: Idle

24-10-2011 05:08:15 UTC

Wait, misread the second part.

Josh: Imperator he/they

24-10-2011 05:43:56 UTC

against Faff.

Qwazukee: Idle

24-10-2011 05:49:04 UTC

against  against  against per zuff, this is just waiting for scams

zuff: Idle

24-10-2011 06:08:04 UTC

Qwazukee: I don’t think this form is susceptible to scams; it’s just not very useful.

scshunt: Idle

24-10-2011 06:41:05 UTC

against

Prince Anduril: Idle

24-10-2011 07:28:26 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

24-10-2011 08:29:36 UTC

against

ChronosPhaenon: Idle

24-10-2011 12:55:45 UTC

against

southpointingchariot: Idle

24-10-2011 13:14:22 UTC

against

southpointingchariot: Idle

24-10-2011 13:14:45 UTC

First change yes, second change no.

southpointingchariot: Idle

24-10-2011 13:21:09 UTC

CoV i’m an idiot for

Kevan: he/him

24-10-2011 13:46:24 UTC

For this to work, we’d always have to use the terms “Emperor” and “Player” whenever we made a core-changing proposal, just in case somebody DoV’d and changed the words before it enacted. (If I just talk about rewording a sentence that contains the word ‘Artist’, when that word is now ‘Falafel’, the ruleset doesn’t know that Artist used to be a synonym for Player.) This seems a little cumbersome.

I think the idea of “generic synonym” would also need beefing up to explicitly state that it means the words are always completely interchangeable, even when a proposal is saying “replace this exact text with that exact text”.

Ely: Idle

24-10-2011 14:24:24 UTC

against

Brendan: he/himIdle

24-10-2011 15:53:41 UTC

against

flurie: Idle

24-10-2011 18:09:41 UTC

against

Ornithopter: Idle

24-10-2011 18:20:29 UTC

against

Pavitra: Idle

24-10-2011 18:54:15 UTC

for the general concept but against the specific implementation.

Spitemaster: Idle

24-10-2011 19:16:59 UTC

against

Wakukee: Idle

24-10-2011 23:58:40 UTC

against

Wakukee: Idle

25-10-2011 00:01:07 UTC

I’ve always thought that if you want to use multiple words to refer to the emperor or players, you can just make a proposal about the specific words in question at the start of the dynasty.

arthexis: he/himIdle

25-10-2011 12:41:52 UTC

against CoV

Rodney: Idle

25-10-2011 18:02:06 UTC

against

scshunt: Idle

26-10-2011 00:14:15 UTC

for

BellEt: Idle

26-10-2011 01:37:20 UTC

imperial