Thursday, December 08, 2022

Proposal: [Appendix] Clarify when dynastic actions in private messages are valid

Withdrawn. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 09 Dec 2022 17:28:28 UTC

Add the following bullet at the end of the subrule “Time” under “Clarifications” in the “Appendix” section:

* If the Narrator receives a private message from an Explorer containing one or more dynastic actions, the Narrator should disregard the dynastic actions that are not valid actions under the current ruleset at the time and date of the private message and execute the remaining dynastic actions as if the invalid dynastic actions were not part of the private message.

I have received a private message requesting a dynastic action that is part of a Proposal, but that Proposal was not yet enacted at the time that the private message was sent to me. This Proposal is to clarify whether I should treat the message as a “trigger” to allow the action as soon as it is a valid part of the ruleset or to disregard the message as invalid. Please continue to discuss the merits of this in the comments.

Comments

Bucky:

08-12-2022 16:57:50 UTC

What if it contains both valid and invalid actions?

JonathanDark: he/him

08-12-2022 17:28:00 UTC

Good point, I adjusted the proposed text accordingly. Give it another look and see what you think.

Kevan: City he/him

08-12-2022 18:09:32 UTC

Not sure I follow this one. It seems either extremely niche (covering a situation in this dynasty alone where someone sends a message of “I set my Ploy to [an illegal, undefined action]”?) or redundant (covering a message to the Narrator of “hello I would like to [illegal undefined action]”, which seems no different to a player doing that same thing as a wiki update or blog post).

JonathanDark: he/him

08-12-2022 18:15:58 UTC

And if the Explorer says in the message, “hello I would like to [illegal action] as soon as it becomes legal”?

I’m trying to cover that aspect of whether the Narrator is under any obligation to honor such a “trigger” request or if they should just ignore it.

quirck: he/him

08-12-2022 18:17:11 UTC

So I can send a private message requesting anything defined in the dynastic ruleset, and the Narrator should execute that? Good thing it’s not a “must” :)

Kevan: City he/him

08-12-2022 18:23:40 UTC

The rule we’ve got is “any Explorer may [change their Ploy] by privately informing the Narrator”.

I don’t think that allows players to perform conditional actions, any more than it would to write “I change my Planned Action to Get Lamp as soon as it becomes legal” on a blog post or the wiki page.

The Ruleset and Gamestate can only be altered in manners specified by the Ruleset.

JonathanDark: he/him

08-12-2022 19:14:52 UTC

I will likely withdraw this in favor of the Proposal from Snisbo / MaidenOfAir, as soon as that one is in a satisfactory state.

Kevan: City he/him

08-12-2022 19:16:27 UTC

against Per my first comment, too niche. If a players are somehow able to declare “I do X if/when it becomes legal” to queue up game actions, that needs a wider clarification.

Josh: he/they

08-12-2022 22:42:44 UTC

against

JonathanDark: he/him

08-12-2022 22:50:39 UTC

against Withdrawn