Thursday, April 15, 2021

Proposal: [Appendix] Prioritisation overrides actually override

Quorum Reached. Passes 8-0—Clucky

Adminned at 17 Apr 2021 04:17:26 UTC

This proposal modifies the Appendix.

Amend the subrule “Prioritisation” of the Appendix rule “Clarifications” by replacing

A Dynastic Rule has precedence over a Core Rule, unless that Core Rule explicitly says it can’t be overruled by a Dynastic Rule;

with

If a Core Rule explicitly says it cannot be overruled by a Dynastic Rule, that Core Rule has precedence over a Dynastic Rule, otherwise a Dynastic Rule has precedence over that Core Rule;

Amend the subrule “Prioritisation” of the Appendix rule “Clarifications” by replacing

A Special Case Rule has equal precedence as a Dynastic Rule, unless that Special Case Rule explicitly says it can’t be overruled by a Dynastic Rule;

with

If a Special Case Rule explicitly says that it cannot be overruled by a Dynastic Rule, that Special Case Rule has precedence over a Dynastic Rule, otherwise a Dynastic Rule has equal precedence as that Special Case Rule;

Currently it appears that if a Core or Special Case Rule says that it cannot be overruled be Dynastic Rule, the scope or negative tests apply, rather than the Core or Special Case Rule taking precedence. According to pokes, this is undesirable because currently only CfJs are protected in this manner.

Comments

pokes:

15-04-2021 17:53:37 UTC

In the second change you have “that Special Case Rule precedence”, missing a ‘has’; it also changes Dynastic to have precedence by default over Special Case instead of equal. That’s not necessarily a problem given that no Special Case rules say they can’t be overruled.

pokes:

15-04-2021 17:54:37 UTC

In fact I’d suggest making the second change become just “A Special Case Rule has equal precedence as a Dynastic Rule.” with no regard to what the Special Case rules say about whether they can be overruled.

Josh: Observer he/they

15-04-2021 18:02:26 UTC

@pokes What would happen then if a Special Case rule did claim precedence?

pokes:

15-04-2021 18:03:54 UTC

Same thing as when a dynastic rule claims precedence over another.

Janet: she/her

15-04-2021 18:04:16 UTC

> In the second change you have “that Special Case Rule precedence”, missing a ‘has’

Thanks.

> it also changes Dynastic to have precedence by default over Special Case instead of equal. That’s not necessarily a problem given that no Special Case rules say they can’t be overruled.

Whoops, got a little bit too happy on the ctrl-c ctrl-v.

Janet: she/her

15-04-2021 18:40:56 UTC

> In fact I’d suggest making the second change become just “A Special Case Rule has equal precedence as a Dynastic Rule.” with no regard to what the Special Case rules say about whether they can be overruled.

I just want to bring the wording more inline with what the intent seems to be; I don’t want to remove a mechanic here (no opinion on whether it should be removed separately).

pokes:

15-04-2021 19:56:36 UTC

for

Raven1207: he/they

15-04-2021 20:53:42 UTC

for

lemon: she/her

15-04-2021 22:36:22 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

16-04-2021 08:20:44 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

16-04-2021 08:50:45 UTC

for

Zack: he/him

16-04-2021 16:53:27 UTC

imperial

Brendan: he/him

16-04-2021 19:01:50 UTC

for