Thursday, July 29, 2010

Proposal: Are you corrupt?

Times out with 7 against and 5 for .—Wakukee

Adminned at 31 Jul 2010 16:24:02 UTC

Create a new ULTRAVIOLET Rule entitled “Credits”:

Each Citizen has an amount of Credits, tracked privately by the High-Programmer. New citizens start with 500 Credits. The High-Programmer may only tell a Citizen how many Credits this Citizen -  but not any other Citizen - currently holds.

Add a subrule to the Rule “Credits” entitled “Transferring”:

Any Citizen (known as the Transferrer) may, at any time, inform the High Programmer that they intend to transfer an amount of Credits (known as the Transfer Amount) to any other Citizen (known as the Receiver). As far as possible the High Programmer shall resolve the transferring, which means: If the Transfer Amount is (then) higher than the amount of Credits of the Transferrer, the High Programmer shall inform this Citizen that the transferring is not possible and cannot be done. If not, the High Progammer shall transfer a Transfer Amount of Credits from the Transferrer to the Receiver and inform both the Transferrer and the High Programmer who has participated in the Transferring, only the Transferrer how many Credits the Transferrer holds and only the Receiver how many Credits the Receiver holds.

If at least half of the EVC of this Proposal contain the phrase “FAIR PLAY CHANGE”,  add to the bullet list of Rule 1.10 entitled “Fair Play”:

* Admins, excluding the High Programmer, should not read personal messages written (using the ExpressionEngine) by a Citizen and addressed to the High Programmer.

If not, add a paragraph to the Rule entitled “Transferring”:

Admins, excluding the High Programmer, should not read personal messages written (using the ExpressionEngine) by a Citizen and addressed to the High Programmer.

Money is often the best argument.

posted by Keba at 29 Jul 2010 20:42:01 UTC Comments (24)

Comments

glopso:

29-07-2010 21:42:26 UTC

for  FAIR PLAY CHANGE

Kevan: he/him

29-07-2010 21:47:16 UTC

Admins! Do not read this paragraph! It is a personal message to the High Programmer.

against

Also: TREASON.

glopso:

29-07-2010 21:56:18 UTC

Urgh fine against

glopso:

29-07-2010 22:29:37 UTC

for because Admins are still allowed to read your message, it’s just that they shouldn’t. This can be easily fixed.

Galdyn:

29-07-2010 22:42:04 UTC

for waiting for a fix of
“inform both the Transferrer and the High Programmer who has participated in the Transferring”

to

“inform both the Transferrer and the Reciever who has participated in the Transferring”

Galdyn:

29-07-2010 22:42:25 UTC

and FAIR PLAY CHANGE

Keba:

29-07-2010 22:45:25 UTC

[Kevan] First, it‘s concerning personal messages and second, there is a “shall”, if you read it without wanting to to so, you do not do anything illegal and third, iirc noone will notice if you do.

There is a typo, “the High Progammer shall [...] inform both the Transferrer and the High Programmer who has participated in the Transferring,” should be “the High Progammer shall [...] inform both the Transferrer and the Receiver who has participated in the Transferring,”

Mabye an Admin can fix this while enacting, mabye not. This does not broke everything, so I might create a fix-proposal later.

Keba:

29-07-2010 22:47:32 UTC

Ah, I should reload the page before clicking on “submit”.

Well, yes. Galdyn has found this bug.

[Galdyn] FAIR PLAY CHANGE need to be in your EVC to have an effect. Let me quote the glossary: “A Citizen’s Effective Vote Comment with respect to a given Proposal means that Citizen’s Comment to that Proposal (if any) that contains that Citizen’s Vote on the Proposal that is given effect in accordance with Rule 1.4 when the Proposal is Resolved.”

Princerepulsive:

30-07-2010 01:11:17 UTC

arrow  for

Darknight: he/him

30-07-2010 02:38:22 UTC

imperial

Bucky:

30-07-2010 04:26:34 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

30-07-2010 08:03:18 UTC

I’m not sure secret currency trading would be much fun; normal currency trading often builds towards a conspiratorial victory where a few players pool their money to reach a victory condition. With invisible balances, this just gets harder for other players to predict.

Purplebeard:

30-07-2010 08:43:00 UTC

against

Keba:

30-07-2010 11:50:49 UTC

[Kevan] I would for a weekly Credit report: “As a Weekly Action the High Programmer may (and should) create a Story Post stating how many Credits all Citizens currently hold.”#

This would still make secret corruption possible.

lilomar:

30-07-2010 13:00:05 UTC

imperial Due to secret trading.

Qwazukee:

30-07-2010 14:02:46 UTC

against Is it even possible for Admins to read private messages?

Kevan: he/him

30-07-2010 14:16:20 UTC

[Qwazukee] There’s a setting to log all emails (but not private messages) sent through the EE interface, in a place that admin can read them. (Presumably it’s there for monitoring potential spam email, if the blog owner wants to do that.) The setting is currently off, but any admin can turn it back on.

http://blognomic.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#Are_there_any_quirks_I_should_know_about.3F

90000:

30-07-2010 14:35:28 UTC

for Due to secret trading.

scshunt:

30-07-2010 19:15:18 UTC

for FAIR PLAY CHANGE

spikebrennan:

30-07-2010 19:29:30 UTC

against
because we do not need currency.  The Computer adequately provides for all of our material needs.  It would be Treasonous to suggest otherwise.

Keba:

31-07-2010 01:02:56 UTC

[Kevan] Oh you cannot read private messages? And the option of reading private emails is turned off? Well, then the phrase “Admins, excluding the High Programmer, should not read personal messages written (using the ExpressionEngine) by a Citizen and addressed to the High Programmer.” is at least redundant.

glopso:

31-07-2010 02:55:19 UTC

for  To not have money would be the behavior of a commie. I’m on to you, spikebrennan!

Put:

31-07-2010 10:07:58 UTC

imperial Also what glopso said.

lilomar:

31-07-2010 15:53:31 UTC

CoV against