Saturday, May 20, 2017

Proposal: Rouge Atomic Actions

Self-killed. Failed by pokes.

Adminned at 22 May 2017 20:47:15 UTC

Amend the ruletext content of “Atomic Actions”  to:

When a Manager performs an Atomic Action, they must complete all its steps; they must complete them in order; and they may not take any other action defined in the Ruleset until all such steps are complete. In addition, the Manager performing an Atomic Action should perform its steps as quickly as they are able.

If an hour has passed since a Manager began an Atomic Action, but they have not completed it, the Atomic Action is considered to be Rouge. Any Manager may pilot a Rouge Atomic Action and perform its steps for the Rouge Atomic Action’s original Manager as if they controlled that Manager, until it’s completed (for example, performing the dicerolls needed and taking decisions pertinent in a certain step).

If 48 hours have passed since a Manager began an Atomic Action of their own, but they have not completed it, all its steps are considered illegal and the Atomic Action is not considered to have been performed.

For the purposes of determining the ordering or legality of game actions the time of an Atomic Action shall be the time that it is completed.

48 hours should be good enough for a Rouge Atomic Action to be finished by anyone. The Timeout is also there to prevent scams which could lock out other Managers from doing anything at all.

Comments

Oracular rufio:

20-05-2017 21:05:41 UTC

against Nope, you only took out the hour time limit and replaced it with a 48 hour time limit, that’s not good enough.  Also, that’s not how you spell rogue.

Oracular rufio:

20-05-2017 21:06:42 UTC

Also, since this is a proposal, it can’t be acted on during Hiatus.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

20-05-2017 21:14:06 UTC

But, it also allows any player to solve the problem.

Oracular rufio:

20-05-2017 21:20:31 UTC

It’s not even clear what that means.  Here’s a simplified context: the atomic action involves me buying something by decreasing my cash and acquiring an item, like this is one step in the atomic action.  If I time it out, does that mean that anyone else is allowed to make me purchase the item by manipulating my values in the GNDT (in which case this is basically the same as saying that any atomic action is legal regardless of whether it was completed or not, or whether the steps are actually legal or not), or does it mean that anyone else can purchase the item for themselves, regardless of any other rules in the ruleset that normally forbid them from doing so?  Either way, it’s asking for trouble.

Madrid:

20-05-2017 21:30:15 UTC

Yep. Can improved, but yeah the basic idea is there.

I believe that making the game itself better, rather than threatening players into playing the game better would be more enjoyable. Have a bit of deterrent but not too much, and have some gameplay-smootheners instead.

Like, “better seat-belts” instead of asking people to “grip onto the car’s seats harder”.

Oracular rufio:

20-05-2017 21:33:50 UTC

No, that would be like saying that people would be responsible for making their own rules instead of laying them out in the ruleset.  My CFJ makes the game better, by preventing people from sabotaging it - it’s not a punishment, it’s a measure against abuse.  This proposal only makes the game more exploitable.

Madrid:

20-05-2017 21:36:29 UTC

Exploitable how? I think that a 48 hour window is plenty long enough for anyone to complete a Rogue (not Rouge lol, ty), if motivated to.

Oracular rufio:

20-05-2017 21:44:28 UTC

I JUST explained.  You don’t see how unilaterally giving everyone the ability to perform some action in a way that overrides other rules in the ruleset is a bad idea?  You don’t see how allowing an atomic action that is illegal as declared to be legal is a problem?  You don’t see how changing the person doing the atomic action would cause a ton of confusion and CFJs?

You’re just pretending to be an idiot so you can exploit this later.

card:

21-05-2017 06:14:23 UTC

I don’t like the idea of someone starting an Atomic Action and then something important pops up that makes it so that they can’t complete it in an hour and then someone else has done actions on their behalf to their detriment in the game.  against

Sphinx:

21-05-2017 06:16:45 UTC

against
As per above.

card:

22-05-2017 05:04:46 UTC

Also this proposal does nothing because it’s lacking the [Core] tag.

Madrid:

22-05-2017 20:20:19 UTC

I knew the tags would bite me in the butt against