Sunday, October 01, 2023

Proposal: Back Room BBQ

Timed out. Fails 1-4 with an unresolved imperial DEF. Josh

Adminned at 03 Oct 2023 20:59:35 UTC

Add the following sub rule to “The Gamblers” called “The Back Room”

Props are publicly tracked and consist of the following information

* The name of the Punter offering the Prop (the Offer)
* Optionally, the name of the Punter accepting the Prop (The Accept). A Prop without an Accept is considered to be Empty
* The Buy In, which must be a positive integer number of Readies
* The Reward, which must be a positive integer number of Readies which is greater than the Buy In
* The Event, A single, specific Sporting Event (identified by the Sport and the date on which it will occur) in which the Prop was created before the Sporting Event had occurred
* The Outcome, An outcome (from the Potential Outcomes for the Sport of that Sporting Event)

A Punter may at any time Offer a Prop by reducing their Readies selecting the Buy In, Reward, Event, and Outcome and then Reducing their Readies by the Reward—A Punter may perform this action if it would cause their Readies minus the Stakes of any open Bets that Punter to be less than zero.

If the sporting event for an Empty Prop has not yet occurred, A Punter who is not the Offer for that Prop may Accept the Prop, marking themselves as the Accept by transferring the Buy In in Readies from themselves to the Offer for that Buy In - A Punter may perform this action if it would cause their Readies minus the Stakes of any open Bets that Punter to be less than zero.

When making or accepting a Prop, the Punter doing so should privately message the Bookie so that the Bookie may better track that Punters Readies.

After a Sporting Event has occurred, then the Bookie should process each Prop for that sporting event as follows:

- If the Prop has an Accept, and the Outcome of the Sporting Event matches the Outcome of the Prop, then the Accept gets the reward for the Prop in Readies.
- Otherwise the Offer gets the reward for the Prop in Readies.

Comments

Josh: he/they

02-10-2023 15:06:47 UTC

imperial

Bucky:

02-10-2023 15:22:17 UTC

against

Bucky:

02-10-2023 15:25:05 UTC

This looks like a license to print Readies by making Props that no one would accept.

Clucky: he/him

02-10-2023 15:51:39 UTC

@Bucky

Unless I messed something up writing this, if no one accepts my prop, I pay the Reward when making the prop and then get the Reward back when the event happens, so my net gain is 0. So you can’t really print money with it.

Bucky:

02-10-2023 23:42:25 UTC

Oh, a Punter can’t reduce their own readies because Josh owns the tracker.

Clucky: he/him

03-10-2023 01:26:44 UTC

Is that actually a rule? Like maybe it should be, but I’m not actually sure the rules are such that if Josh is the one tracking something that someone else can’t change it.

Kevan: he/him

03-10-2023 08:12:57 UTC

“If authorised by the rules as a result of a Punter’s action, changes to gamestate which is tracked in a specific place (such as a wiki page) do not take effect until the representation of that gamestate has been updated to match the authorised change.” - I think it can get bridged by Josh “completing incomplete actions on behalf of the original Punter”, but there is some murk in that if I say “I spent 10 Readies please deduct that” to Josh, it’s not a game action, it’s just me saying words which may not be true.

Is “A Punter may perform this action if it would cause their Readies” also missing a “not”?

against

JonathanDark: he/him

03-10-2023 13:12:05 UTC

against Because it’s too messy as-is due to the points referenced by others

Snisbo: she/they

03-10-2023 17:28:27 UTC

against