Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Call for Judgment: Back to your corners

Failed due to quorum of against votes—Rodlen

Adminned at 22 May 2008 07:23:56 UTC

Its very clear that we have a dispute on who exectly has claimed victory here. Yoda brings up the point that the proposal “No mr. dynasty, i expect you to die” was enacted a few hrs before the min. as stated in rule 1.5. Rodlen belives that Yoda’s victory is nulled because it followed the “if these two things happen” statement. From what i see, Rodlen’s DoV is nulled do to the proposal that led to it has violated the eneacting rules and Yoda’s is null not because of a clause but he went idle after his was enacted (I see that as passing victoy to someone else). Therefore we should let the nomic public decide who declares victory. If this CoJ passes, all DoV’s are nulled and Rodlen and Yoda shall state their case as to why the should be allowed to state victory.

I’m prob not the only one who has no clue how else to settle this.

Comments

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 21:28:32 UTC

Wow, this will mean the shortest dynasty ever.

Darknight:

05-21-2008 21:32:13 UTC

not really. yodas CoJ petty much has us on the very end of PB’s

Darknight:

05-21-2008 21:35:20 UTC

your address came after yodas CoJ and DoV, meaning a hiatus is on. lol PB’s dynasty is still going on

Darknight:

05-21-2008 21:35:39 UTC

for just to be clear

Yoda:

05-21-2008 21:38:54 UTC

How are we going to state our cases?  More DoV’s?  A blog post?  Another CfJ?

Darknight:

05-21-2008 21:40:55 UTC

if this passes i’d have you two send PMs to me and i’d post them in a DoV. Unless you guys are willing to try a co-run dynasty

Yoda:

05-21-2008 22:00:30 UTC

I don’t think it can be a DoV, since you posting a DoV would mean that you were declaring victory.

I think the only way it would work is to post a generic blog entry or a proposal with the two cases.  Then, have players vote on who has achieved victory.

for

Yoda:

05-21-2008 22:00:55 UTC

Is a co-run even legal?

jay:

05-21-2008 22:02:27 UTC

against I disagree with the premise that going idle means forfeiting. Plus I want to see how bloody this gets.

Darknight:

05-21-2008 22:02:40 UTC

so generic it is. and i didn’t see anything saying co-run is illegal

jay:

05-21-2008 22:03:41 UTC

Unless Rodlen is FOR, in which case I won’t stand in the way of the duel.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 22:12:32 UTC

I have an idea: two DDA Commanders.

As a compromise.  To keep this from going the way of Anthony vs. Kevan.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 22:14:36 UTC

Oh, and by my DOV passing, a dynasty started.  The hiatus, which was still going on, continued until I put in my address.  Before I posted my address, Yoda declared victory. Therefore, there is a DOV, but no hiatus.

Yoda:

05-21-2008 22:14:55 UTC

The thing about a co-run is that only one player can be the legal head of a dynasty.  That means the other will have a distinct advantage over all the other players.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 22:19:28 UTC

against

Yoda:

05-21-2008 22:20:34 UTC

This is one of those crazy exceptions that the rules don’t specifically cover, but my interpretation would be that as long as a DoV is pending, there is a hiatus.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 22:20:48 UTC

Not if the second person counts as a second DDA Commander in all ways. All the good things, and all the bad things.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 22:22:38 UTC

That was a reply to your comment before my against, not after.

jay:

05-21-2008 22:33:11 UTC

for COV Rodlen is too confusing to run this joint.

Darknight:

05-21-2008 22:52:09 UTC

*rubs head* i think we’re all abit miffed on how to deal with this. i can tell rodlen and yoda aren’t gonna pull a kev vs anthony on us, they just want to figure this out

jay:

05-21-2008 22:59:00 UTC

TO THE DEATH

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 23:19:07 UTC

*kills jay*

Better now?

Now, seriously, there will be no deathmatches now, unless we do a big Yoda and his followers vs. Me and my followers dynasty, with the winner getting the next dynasty…

Amnistar:

05-21-2008 23:35:02 UTC

against

jay:

05-21-2008 23:40:05 UTC

Two parallel nomics, two rulers, one ruleset.

Darknight:

05-21-2008 23:47:16 UTC

or a meta dynasty

Ornithopter:

05-21-2008 23:51:03 UTC

against
Rodlen’s DoV passed, so he won, regardless of the (presumably accidental) illegal ennacting of the proposal that led everyone to believe he had a valid argument for his DoV.

Yoda’s “I win proposal” was flawed, and doesn’t give him victory, but if his DoV passes, he will win (ending Rodlen’s dynasty) regardless of the technicality.

If I now post a DoV (I won’t) with the reasoning that I’m taller than Yoda and Rodlen combined and better looking to boot (I am), and it passes, then I win, regardless of the total lack of my actually achieving any victory through the (currently non-existent) dynastic rules.

Rodlen:

05-21-2008 23:54:30 UTC

What Ornithopter said.

arthexis:

05-22-2008 00:17:43 UTC

against I’ll keep my stance on this whole mess.

arthexis:

05-22-2008 00:19:16 UTC

By the way all this politics and rules stuff is really fun. Much more than the actually dynasties I’ve been on. I’ll be sure to create a lawyer dynasty when I win.

Darknight:

05-22-2008 01:38:56 UTC

against seems rod is in

Yoda:

05-22-2008 03:06:05 UTC

against COV yep, seems that way

Beane:

05-22-2008 05:50:53 UTC

against Ornithopter speaks truth.

Purplebeard:

05-22-2008 09:04:47 UTC

against For reasons I stated in the other posts.

Also, the fact that this CfJ would null all DoV’s in Blognomic’s history amuses me.