Failed at quorum, by Kevan - 2 votes in favour, 11 against.
(Amnistar’s CoV to “DEFERENTIAL” is ignored, as CfJs only count “votes of agreement or disagreement”, in Rule 1.6.)
Adminned at 20 Jan 2009 07:55:55 UTC
Wakukee has used his glitch admin powers to try to make Qwazukee achieve victory. This shows that they are sockpuppets.
Ban Wakukee and Qwazukee from BlogNomic.
Qwaz wanted me to help him achive victory because he did not have admin powers to do it with. He agreed to make a co-dynasty, and we were not sure that this would work. We needed to work together for several of our other scam ideas to work. 
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Because there is no way that it would pass. This way, people might just think it was a good scam. Also, we needed 2 people for some of our scam ideas.
Don’t hate, DC. It’s pretty obvious Wak is not the same person as me. But I thought we had a shot at this scam if we worked together, so I recruited his aid.
You didn’t need 2 people for this idea.
And what made you think people would think it was a good scam? It would actually be a better scam if you made yourself win.
Also, there have been times that we have posted in response to each other from different IP’s. One was at school while one was at home.
DC, I came up with the idea for this scam. I didn’t have the knowledge to enact things, so I needed Wak’s help.
Regardless, we now have a pair of conmen in our midst. I warn you: nobody likes conmen unless their scams are funny or brain-splatteringly smart.
It is much easier for brothers to work together on plans than two random people who don’t know each other so I believe they’re brothers without a doubt. This doesn’t mean I agree with trying to win like that though.
Alright, I won’t run any more scams until I feel that they’re warranted (per the secret ruleset). I hope you’re reading this, Wakukee.
This is what I refer to: http://blognomic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Essays
Theres no secret rule set you two. I’m tempted to vote FOR
Quote:
2 Philosophical Essays
[edit]2.1 The Secret Ruleset
By Bucky
In addition to the publicly available main Ruleset, there are some Rules which aren’t official but are nonetheless enforced. This alternate ruleset exists because us players don’t usually play by the Ruleset as written, but instead play by our interpretation of the Ruleset. Also, the Blognomic community has its own standards for conduct. New players, however, often miss some important unspoken rules.
The important unspoken rules which I know of are as follows:
1) If an unwritten rule conflicts with the Ruleset, the Ruleset takes precidence.
2) An action is illegal if a CfJ challenging it would pass, or if most players beleive it to be illegal.
3) Actions based on an interpretation of the Ruleset not obvious from a casual reading may be illegal even if strictly permitted by the Ruleset.
4) Large-scale spamming is prohibited. About the most you could get away with is the posting and Self-Killing of 3 proposal blanks. However, the exact limit depends on how good a reason you have for spamming.
5)Illegal actions may be reverted immediately even if the reversion would also be technically illegal.
6) Scams based on the properties of EE are strictly forbidden.
7) Scams based on the core ruleset are strongly discouraged except in cases of emergency.
8) A player may combine several actions into a GNDT entry if they could legally have been performed separately.
Of these rules, 2 probably has the greatest implications. For example, whether an action is legal or not often depends on who performs it, the results, who writes the CfJ if it gets CfJed, and perhaps how soon the player who performed the original action responds to the CfJ.
[edit]3 Political Essays
Retrieved from “http://blognomic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Essays”
I am voting Imp on this because while the proposal itself is based on a faulty presumption, I am leaning, very slightly, towards agreement with the actions of the duo.
What is holding me back is the fact that you are both new users, which is great, new players are always welcome here, and I’m hoping you’ll take the following advice to heart:
If the ‘scam’ you are attempting to pull is one which you would feel cheated you out of your own dynasty, think twice before you do it.
It happens you two. I think we just got abit overly mad about it
Who cares if they aren’t brothers? They knowingly abused EE and the core rules. Blognomic life (no, not conways game of life though that might make a cool theme) was better before they were around.
er I mean “are brothers”. But my point remains. Why should we keep scammers on board? So they can scam again?
Now look here, Clucky. This was one (1) scam, which at the time I thought was perfectly legal within the rules and, from what I’d heard about great scams of the past, within the spirit of the game. It has been hammered home repeatedly that I was incorrect in this belief. Do not punish me for ignorance.
Scamming based on EE: not good.
Scamming based on core rules: good if it works.
I disagree Rodlen. The core rules are designed such that we have a fun game. Covering every loophole in them is unfeasible. Don’t abuse the core rules.
And Qwazukee—if there was any chance of this actually passing, I would’ve probably voted against. But as there are already plenty of against votes and I’m sick and tired of all the ruleset abuse going on the last few dynasty, I didn’t want to just be like “ok lol we’ll just give everyone who tries to scam us a warning and have a big laugh afterwards”
Way to throw me under the bus, Wak.
Was the scam even based on EE? I think the entire thing was done using Core Rules . . . although it didn’t work, which is a problem . . . and the secret ruleset frowns upon using scams based on core rules anyway.
Why not both of ya Waku? you were in on it. COV. Reason is I noticed that the time stamp on the proposal that made this mess kept changing. It went from like 12 hrs to 48 to 70 back to 46. I have a feeling you two tried to slip this in as the oldest proposal so you could sneak pass it. And after gettin your pm asking if people would get mad if ya scammed with a semi hidden proposal I belive you two are planning more.
And for the last time that secret rule set is nothing more then an idea. it has no power over the game so stop basing stuff off of it
No. You are wrong. And I was jokin about the “Just don’t punish me.”
NO. I don’t know how to change the time on stuff, and have repeatedly told Wak it’s illegal. The scam didn’t need it to be the last in the line anyway, think about it. I have been telling Wak not to run that other scam ever since people got mad at this one, see my comment explicitly telling him that earlier in the post.
Please. I said I’m sorry, I won’t do it again. What else do you want from me, a Blood Oath of Vengeance? I’m sorry.
I already decided to stop all scam plans and the time change was from before I realized everyone hated the idea of scams. I don’t intend on making any more.
COV again. But as a warning, you two are on thin ice right now ok? Play fair or don’t play at all.
I didn’t know about Wak changing the time, honest.
Agreed, Darknight.
Ok then. But you guys will be watched alot closer. If not by me then by the other admins. *offers hand in good faith*
Abuse of the core rules is, in certain cases, okay, such as with the start of my first dynasty (ascension address with DoV still pending led to DoV with no hiatus). However, in this case, it was rather…stupid.
Agreed Rod and I think everyone else does. I’m ready to move on now
Correct. So, since his CoV to DEF doesn’t count as anything, his previous vote of counts, correct?
And yes; “All Members of the Staff may add votes of agreement or disagreement in comments to this entry, using appropriate voting icons (a Member of the Staff’s later votes overriding their earlier ones)” - Amnistar’s last “vote of agreement or disagreement” was AGAINST. I’ll close this now.
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