Sunday, October 11, 2009

Proposal: Buying Votes

Timed out 2 votes to 9. Failed by Kevan. -2 points to Excalabur.

Adminned at 13 Oct 2009 08:19:15 UTC

Create a new subrule to rule 2.1 (Points), entitled “Buying votes [5 Points]”, with the following text:

At any time, a player may buy an additional vote on a proposal by making a comment with a voting icon and the string [Bought].  This shall count as an additional EVC for that player, except that it shall not count towards quorum for the first bullet point in rule 1.5: that is, a quorum of different players must vote for a proposal for it to be enacted under the first bullet point of rule 1.5.

posted by Excalabur at 11 Oct 2009 15:24:14 UTC Comments (20)

Comments

redtara: they/them

11-10-2009 15:44:31 UTC

5 is too low. against

arthexis: he/him

11-10-2009 15:57:33 UTC

against Too cheap. I would accept this price if it where a daily action, except at any time.

Oze:

11-10-2009 15:58:32 UTC

against per y_d_17 and arthexis

Klisz:

11-10-2009 16:10:46 UTC

against

Excalabur:

11-10-2009 16:13:15 UTC

5 is half a successful proposal…
And frankly, easily fixed, if you think it’s too low.

arthexis: he/him

11-10-2009 17:17:03 UTC

Like I said, the cost of 5 is not the problem, I think it should be a daily action, though.

Bucky:

11-10-2009 17:50:26 UTC

against .  I don’t want someone to be able to save up, propose something and then pass it by quorum themselves.

Kevan: he/him

11-10-2009 18:03:52 UTC

against In a world without vetoes, it’ll be too easy for a small group to steamroller through an “I win”.

This also messes up “It has enough AGAINST votes that it could not be Enacted without one of those votes being changed” if any proposal could be enacted by enough points being spent.

Darknight: he/him

11-10-2009 21:40:30 UTC

against

Excalabur:

11-10-2009 23:30:20 UTC

Bucky: DId you /read/ the proposal?  The bit where they don’t get to have a quorum themselves?

Kevan: Yeah, i thought about doing something about that. 

Sigh.  I really liked this idea.  Note that there’s nothing stopping other players from spending a bunch of points to vote AGAINST an ‘i win’ type proposal either.

redtara: they/them

12-10-2009 00:34:38 UTC

Excalabur: I think Bucky means it’s possible to buy more than a Quorum of votes, so that (if you have dozens of points), no matter what, your chosen proposal will pass

Excalabur:

12-10-2009 02:01:17 UTC

Yuri: BUt if you have heaps more points than everyone else, it’s likely that you’ll win anyway.  If some other players also have points, they can buy against votes.

If this fails, I may repropose with a way to buy Vetoes.

redtara: they/them

12-10-2009 02:27:19 UTC

I’d support that, if they were really expensive.

Excalabur:

12-10-2009 13:36:06 UTC

Define “really expensive”?

spikebrennan:

12-10-2009 15:47:45 UTC

for
I like the concept in principle although the cost needs attention

Wooble:

12-10-2009 16:40:19 UTC

against

redtara: they/them

12-10-2009 17:17:00 UTC

Excalabur: Like 1 veto every couple days, between us all.

redtara: they/them

12-10-2009 17:38:28 UTC

Failing 8-2

Bucky:

12-10-2009 20:55:16 UTC

I would support if (a)Quorum for each proposal increased by one for every two bought votes and (b)you were limited to buying one vote per proposal.

Qwazukee:

13-10-2009 00:12:40 UTC

against