Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Call for Judgment: Call For Judgement: Because We Don’t Have Enough of These Yet

failed by CfJ “http://blognomic.com/archive/compromise_mark_4_again” -Bucky
unfailed by coppro - the enactment was illegal

Opened more than 24 hours and more against than for. -Amnistar

Adminned at 21 Oct 2011 15:52:53 UTC

Be gentle, its my first time.

After some discussion with more experienced players, I have concluded that we are attempting to solve the 2.1 - 3.2 conflict from entirely the wrong end. Banning official posts from being in any other official category not only generates bugs, but prohibits all sorts of interesting and good ideas. It is not only impractical, but unwise to universally prevent posts from being in multiple categories. While scams may be possible using certain combinations, dangerous combinations should be banned specifically. Do we really want to prevent all rules which classify official posts?

One concern that was brought up was a potential scam involving posts that were simultaneously DoVs and CfJs, and perhaps Proposals as well. Thus, remove the complete prohibition on categorization of official posts by changing, in rule 3.2,

A proposal, or declaration of victory cannot simultaneously be any other type of official post unless otherwise specified by dynastic rules.

to

No entry may be more than one of the following official types of post: Proposal, Call for Justice, and Declaration of Victory.

The concern was also raised, in the current ruleset, that Critiques could then be made secretly - however, this is not prevented by the current prohibition. Thus, require Critiques to be labeled as such by changing, in rule 2.4

An Artist may post a Critique of another Artist’s non-Critique Work of Art

to

An Artist may post a Critique of another Artist’s non-Critique Work of Art by posting an entry with the phrase “A Critique of [Artist]‘s Work” in the title, where [Artist] is the name of the Artist who’s work is being Critiqued. A Critique may not also be a Proposal, Call for Judgement, or Declaration of Victory.

Personally, I do not see a problem with allowing Critiques to also be Proposals or CfJs, though that may be better dealt with at a later time.

The idea here is that the solution to the controversy is to get rid of the ban on categorizing posts, clearing up the current bugs and opening up the game. I would argue that our core posts should be in play for hierarchical and webbed categorization. I also address a small bug dealing with secret Critiques.

Comments

southpointingchariot:

10-19-2011 23:37:57 UTC

Sorry for the double title.

omd:

10-19-2011 23:48:13 UTC

against I like this wording better than the others, but some issues:

- this CfJ should revert the rule changes from the other CfJs so it doesn’t end up half applied if more than one passes;

- the title format is too strict, it would be nicer to just make a category.

also, “whose”, not “who’s”.

southpointingchariot:

10-19-2011 23:50:22 UTC

Good points. I refrained from making a category, as I’m not sure how difficult they are to create technically. If I remember correctly, I can’t edit it now though.

southpointingchariot:

10-19-2011 23:58:07 UTC

Having seen some small issues, with thanks to comex and coppro, I will abandon this and repost a new version. against

scshunt:

10-20-2011 01:20:18 UTC

against

Kevan:

10-20-2011 07:11:39 UTC

against

ais523:

10-20-2011 09:38:55 UTC

@southpointingchariot: we have a “Story Post” category that exists for dynastic purposes like this one.

Bucky:

10-20-2011 18:47:26 UTC

against

Ienpw III:

10-20-2011 23:58:39 UTC

against

Shadowclaw:

10-21-2011 00:05:11 UTC

against

Ornithopter:

10-21-2011 00:46:13 UTC

against

Brendan:

10-21-2011 03:11:35 UTC

against

Roujo:

10-21-2011 04:48:25 UTC

against

Kevan:

10-21-2011 10:56:35 UTC

against

Wooble:

10-21-2011 11:19:41 UTC

against

Rodney:

10-21-2011 13:39:30 UTC

against

Rodney:

10-21-2011 13:42:29 UTC

against

ChronosPhaenon:

10-21-2011 14:36:37 UTC

against

Pavitra:

10-21-2011 16:34:41 UTC

This was SKed a while ago, you can stop downvoting it now.

ais523:

10-21-2011 16:39:46 UTC

against

Ornithopter:

10-21-2011 17:13:27 UTC

CfJs can’t be SKed.

Pavitra:

10-21-2011 17:25:45 UTC

Oh, fun. against

Amnistar:

10-21-2011 20:59:21 UTC

17 Against votes at this time.