Wednesday, April 09, 2025

Proposal: Can We Fix It (Yes We Can)

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 2 votes to 6 by Kevan.

Adminned at 10 Apr 2025 20:04:16 UTC

In “Guards And Burglars” replace

Each Agent is either a Guard, a Burglar or a Civilian, defaulting to Civilian. This is publicly tracked.

If there are any Civilians, then the Concierge should select one in a secretly random manner and either:

with

Each Agent is either a Guard, a Burglar, a Civilian or Unassigned, defaulting to Civilian. This is publicly tracked.

If it has been at least 48 hours since end of the last Break In and they have not already done so since the last Break In, then the Concierge may set all Agents to be Unassigned

If there are any Unassigned Agents, then the Concierge should select one in a secretly random manner and either:

In “The Break-In” replace “If every Agent has a non-blank Route and there are no Civilians” with

If every non-Civilian Agent has a non-blank Route and there are no unassigned Agents

This creates a 48 hour window in which stuff can be proposed and fixed without “well this would help/hurt my team this round” incentives from effecting the vote.

Also stops people from joining late and wrecking possible offense/defense strategies

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

10-04-2025 04:48:12 UTC

Seems like a reasonable idea. We might want to later add a way for Civilians to signal that there are no further Proposal ideas coming and that they want to waive the 48-hour minimum between Breaking Ins.

for

SingularByte: he/him

10-04-2025 06:42:57 UTC

I’m not sure we need it. It would be one thing if the teams were static, but with people changing every break-in, I don’t see anyone pushing for marginal benefits for only their own team with the intent to reverse it later. At a cost of 48 hours per break-in, I’m not sure there’s enough benefit to justify slowing down the game that much.

against

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

10-04-2025 07:13:01 UTC

against I’m with SB on this one

Kevan: Concierge he/him

10-04-2025 08:40:11 UTC

against Agreed on the slowdown of doing this every time.

We may need to do the “this Break-In has started and will be played under the dynastic ruleset as it was at 09:39 on Thursday” thing that we did for Giolitti, Battlebots and the Wizard Duel.

Clucky: he/him

10-04-2025 10:09:24 UTC

I feel like because it’s a team game I’m hesitant to propose patches that hurt my team even if I phrase it in a way that doesn’t kick in until next round because the other team could use that information to adjust their plan accordingly

ais523:

10-04-2025 10:53:24 UTC

against I also agree that this is unnecessary. I don’t expect team affiliation to be a major factor in proposal voting until late in the dynasty, and by that point proposal voting patterns are usually broken anyway.

Clucky: he/him

10-04-2025 14:21:53 UTC

https://blognomic.com/archive/be_prepared._your_team_depends_on_you

divisions on that proposal are literally split along team lines so its pretty clear that team affiliation is already a major factor in proposal voting

Darknight: he/him

10-04-2025 15:32:47 UTC

against

DoomedIdeas: he/him

10-04-2025 18:44:52 UTC

against