Thursday, January 13, 2022

Proposal: Charity Box

Passes 7-1—Enacted by Clucky

Adminned at 14 Jan 2022 20:08:38 UTC

Each Tripper or Idle Tripper who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC can choose a single Cause, it being the last Tripper they name in a comment on this Proposal.

Randomly select a Cause, then for each Tripper whose EVC is FOR on this Proposal, give 5 coins (if they have 5) from that Tripper to the selected Cause.

Comments

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 20:13:52 UTC

allowing idle players to join at the end and greatly effect a dynasty everyone else spent a month playing seems unfun to me

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 20:15:28 UTC

its also a bit unclear what happens if you need to make a tripper give 5 coins but they don’t have 5 coins

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 20:15:47 UTC

What if I wanted to vote for this proposal? I don’t have any coins.

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 20:16:44 UTC

for Silverwing, you can vote without having any coins

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 20:20:57 UTC

How? This proposal says “For each Tripper whose EVC is FOR on this Proposal, give 5 coins from that tripper to a randomly selected Cause, as defined above.” I don’t have 5 coins.

TyGuy6:

13-01-2022 20:21:19 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

13-01-2022 20:23:19 UTC

[Silverwing] You can absolutely vote, that step just won’t have any effect on you. (Also, you might GET coins in the process of enactment—for instance, Josh just designated you as a Cause, so you might receive 5 of his coins and then have them taken away!)

Brendan: he/him

13-01-2022 20:25:21 UTC

Oh, no, I’m wrong about my parenthetical there. Still, nothing stopping you from voting.

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 20:25:26 UTC

Yeah, your coins can’t go below zero, so you just vote and the coin loss doesn’t impact you.

Kevan: he/him

13-01-2022 20:26:22 UTC

If a penniless player votes FOR, we’d hit “If the Admin enacting a Votable Matter reaches a step which cannot be applied immediately [...] that step is ignored for the purposes of enactment.” - I’m not sure whether the “step” would be “and now I move 5 Coins from this player with no coins” or the entire second sentence of the proposal, though.

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 20:27:52 UTC

I see.

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 20:28:09 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

13-01-2022 20:32:15 UTC

imperial Brendan :D

TyGuy6:

13-01-2022 20:40:31 UTC

Were you idle at Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC, Brendan? Only the recently joining-in can select a Cause.

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 20:44:53 UTC

I’m not sure that’s true, Ty - it depends where the implicit comma in the sentence is.

“Each [Tripper] or [Idle Tripper who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC]”

is different from

“Each [Tripper or Idle Tripper who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC]”

redtara: they/them

13-01-2022 20:50:26 UTC

I’ve unidled. Quorum remained at 5. for redtara.

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 20:59:13 UTC

against

Zack: he/him

13-01-2022 21:27:11 UTC

for I personally read it as “ Each [Tripper or Idle Tripper] who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC”. Anyway, Zack could use some coins.

Brendan: he/him

13-01-2022 21:27:54 UTC

Josh said what I was going to say.

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 21:31:30 UTC

The fact that different people are interpreting this differently feels like it might be a good idea to re-propose under a proper wording as in its current form, this appears guaranteed to be headed for a CFJ

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 21:32:38 UTC

Also Brendan I hope you realize under your interpretation of the rules, Josh is your cause now.

Wait now Josh is my cause now too.

Go Go Raven1207.

Brendan: he/him

13-01-2022 21:37:25 UTC

Clucky, that’s ridiculous.

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 21:44:59 UTC

How can black bird be your cause if you voted no?

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 21:49:07 UTC

Ugh so many names in comments in this proposal.

I think that the safest holder of these coins would be… Purplebeard.

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 22:13:02 UTC

I don’t know who you are talking about…

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 22:13:21 UTC

> How can black bird be your cause if you voted no?


“Each Tripper or Idle Tripper who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC can choose a single Cause”

If you operate under the assumption that Its “Tripper or [Idle Tripper who was Idle at 13 JAN 2022 19:28:00 UTC]”, there is nothing saying you need to vote for this proposal to generate a cause.

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 22:13:21 UTC

I don’t know who you are talking about…

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 22:14:10 UTC

Oops! Double comment! Sorry!

Silverwing: she/her

13-01-2022 22:15:20 UTC

I see.

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 22:19:43 UTC

@ Chemical element AG + bird appendage - Purplebeard is a player who played a long time ago; by making him the beneficiary I am effectively putting the coins out of the game.

Clucky: he/him

13-01-2022 22:54:09 UTC

But Purplebeard is not a Tripper, so naming him does nothing (unless he were to unidle) and I think your cause is still SW

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 23:06:24 UTC

Idle trippers are a subset of Trippers and I don’t see any reason why that would not be the case for this proposal; the exclusions seem to be mostly ruleset-based

Josh: Announcer he/him

13-01-2022 23:11:38 UTC

Ah, I’m wrong, nevermind.

Fine; Zack.

pokes:

14-01-2022 00:09:18 UTC

I thought the idea of popularity contests in this dynasty was dead. The player named Clucky has achieved victory if we pick a chop and just do it and it lands on him.

Clucky: he/him

14-01-2022 02:30:38 UTC

someone should double check this, but I think this is the current cause list:

Clucky: Not Idle. Voted Against. Cause: Raven1207
Silverwing: Idle. Voted For. Cause: none
Josh:  Not Idle. Voted For. Cause: Zack
Brendan: Not Idle. Voted IMP. Cause: Clucky
Kevan: Not Idle. No Vote. Cause: none
TyGuy6: Not Idle. Voted For. Cause: Brendan
Redtara: Idle. Voted For. Cause: Redtara
Zack: Idle. Voted For. Cause: Zack
Pokes: Idle. Not A Tripper. Cause: Clucky

one question, in addition to whose votes get listened to, is what happens with duplicate? Is the list of causes {Raven, Zack, Brendan, Redtara, and Myself} and you randomly pick one of those five? Or is the list of causes {Raven, Zack, Clucky, Brendan, Retara, Zack, Clucky} and you randomly pick one of those seven?

(repeating Raven1207 cause the idea of Raven winning despite not actually doing much of anything amuses me)

Silverwing: she/her

14-01-2022 03:31:08 UTC

Are you saying I’m idle because I was idle at the 13’th?

Raven1207: he/him

14-01-2022 03:36:18 UTC

“Raven winning despite not actually doing much of anything amuses me”

That’s what I said 😂

Clucky: he/him

14-01-2022 03:48:36 UTC

@sw yes

Raven1207: he/him

14-01-2022 03:52:22 UTC

for

Josh: Announcer he/him

14-01-2022 08:43:01 UTC

If the player called ‘to prod with a finger’ resurrects his scammy alt account then that becomes his cause, btw.

Josh: Announcer he/him

14-01-2022 14:11:39 UTC

Oh just to note that pokes’ comment has no effect as they are not an idle tripper, seeing as they nuked their account back at the beginning of Brendan 7.

So we can name pokes safely and with impunity.

Pokes pokes pokes.

(Zack)

TyGuy6:

14-01-2022 18:46:23 UTC

Tech

Brendan: he/him

14-01-2022 19:11:07 UTC

S[Raven1207]ilverwing

Clucky: he/him

14-01-2022 19:13:48 UTC

list update:


Pokes: Not a tripper, doesn’t matter

Silverwing: Idle. Voted For. Cause: none
Redtara: Idle. Voted For. Cause: Redtara
Zack: Idle. Voted For. Cause: Zack

Josh:  Not Idle. Voted For. Cause: Zack
Brendan: Not Idle. Voted IMP. Cause: Clucky
Kevan: Not Idle. No Vote. Cause: none
Raven: Not Idle. Voted For. Cause: none
TyGuy6: Not Idle. Voted For. Cause: Tech
Clucky: Not Idle. Voted Against. Cause: Raven1207

So vote pools are either {Redtara, Zack}, {Redtara, Zack, Zack, Clucky, Tech, Raven1207} or {Redtara, Zack, Clucky, Tech, Raven1207} depending on how you interpret the rules

Winner will currently get 25 coins from Redtara, Zack, Josh, TyGuy6 and Raven1207

Clucky: he/him

14-01-2022 19:14:32 UTC

@BDAN RUDE!

Brendan: he/him

14-01-2022 19:29:38 UTC

C-L-U, C-K-Y, that’s the vote pool counting guy!

Jumble:

14-01-2022 20:01:31 UTC

for Clucky

Clucky: he/him

14-01-2022 20:03:15 UTC

ty Jumble I’d give you some coins but I legally can’t now but you have my gratitude even though you should probably just name yourself