Sunday, April 06, 2025

Proposal: Clarity in Milling

In “Mill”, change

and Record the Sin that they view this Nomicer as having performed

to

and Record a Sin (they should choose a Sin that they consider the Nomicer whose Equity was reduced to have performed)

I don’t think we ever did resolve the interaction between “Record a Sin that you view [the targeted Nomicer] as having performed” and “Sins are flavour text”. I think there’s a consensus among the previously active players that it’s desirable to allow the action to work regardless of the choice of Sin, but that ideally the Sin should be something thematically appropriate; this changes the rules to make that clear.

Comments

ais523:

06-04-2025 00:42:14 UTC

Also worth noting – Milling might potentially fail under the current wording if you view a Nomicer has having performed two Sins (and most of us have, given how we have very generic Sins like “proposal” and “that”), because it require you to specify “the Sin” rather than “a Sin” – this proposal fixes that too.

JonathanDark: he/him

06-04-2025 01:15:55 UTC

I like the challenge of having to pick a Sin that thematically fits.

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Darknight: he/him

06-04-2025 02:11:20 UTC

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Clucky: he/him

06-04-2025 08:24:05 UTC

does this prevent new sins from being added? (or at least, lock doing behind ignoring a ‘should’?)

Recording a Sin is an action. Nothing in that action specifies the word added being a sin, because until its added by definition its not a sin.

But “they should choose a Sin” does refer to a Sin, meaning they should only choose things already on the sin list.

Josh: Imperator he/they

06-04-2025 15:48:33 UTC

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JonathanDark: he/him

06-04-2025 18:51:46 UTC

@Clucky: the action Record a Sin is explicitly described in the rules:

If a Nomicer is required to Record a Sin when making a gamestate change, they must indicate in the edit summary of that wiki edit a word from the EFF Wordlist; if that word does not already appear in the Sins list, they may add it to that list at the same time.

Note how it is NOT self-referential, but instead calls out picking a word from the EFF Wordlist as part of the step.

JonathanDark: he/him

06-04-2025 18:56:54 UTC

Oh, I’m stupid. I just made your point for you. This proposal should have said “they should choose a word from the EFF Wordlist”.

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DoomedIdeas: he/him

06-04-2025 20:12:55 UTC

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ais523:

06-04-2025 21:42:37 UTC

Good catch. I’ll wait to see whether the dynasty ends before I officially revise-withdraw this, because there’s not much point in resubmitting if the rule’s going to be repealed anyway.

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