Tuesday, October 17, 2023

Proposal: Cleanup on Aisle 3

Reached Quorum, 3-0 with 3 DEF while Battle Master’s vote is FOR. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 18 Oct 2023 15:29:46 UTC

In “Creating a Duel” after “Set the Wizard Ring to be all Wizards, ordered randomly” add “(the Battle Master may make this determination using a private method of their choosing)”

In “Engaging in a Duel” after “Wizards who are named in the Wizard Ring for a duel are considered to be participants in that duel.” add “Each participant in a duel may cast one instance of a spell in that duel”

In “Duels” after “Duels are either Open, Pending or Resolved” add ” and are by default Open”

First issue just makes it easier for me to schedule duels as the dice roller doesn’t have a “randomly sort this list” function

Second issue I don’t think is actually needed—my reading of the next sentence makes it clear you can only cast one spell. But i think its better safe than sorry

Third issue the default rules technically handle anyways but again, best to be clear.

Comments

Brendan: he/him

17-10-2023 17:06:54 UTC

As written, this will currently have no effect if “Pedantry” passes, I think?

Kevan: City he/him

17-10-2023 17:10:03 UTC

Pedantry is doing an unnerving “including in all pending proposals” rewording.

Brendan: he/him

17-10-2023 17:19:30 UTC

Oh ah.

JonathanDark: he/him

17-10-2023 17:24:39 UTC

You could reduce the wording of “(the Battle Master may make this determination may do so using a private method of their choosing)” by simply making use of the rule “If a selection is explicitly specified as being “secretly” random, the Wizard making this determination may do so using a private method of their choosing, instead of the Dice Roller.” so that first sentence could be:

In “Creating a Duel” replace the text “ordered randomly” with “ordered secretly randomly”

 

Kevan: City he/him

17-10-2023 17:26:26 UTC

(I’m not sure why the Pedantry overwrite is mildly unnerving. Maybe because it’s changing what people have written in their own voice - that if anyone makes a mild power move of employing the Squabble term before the proposal has enacted, that detail gets lost to history.)

Clucky: he/him

17-10-2023 17:27:03 UTC

But the order isn’t actually a secret. I’m worried that might suggest the order is a secret.

Zack: he/him

17-10-2023 17:39:14 UTC

Jonathan already pointed out that this can be simplified but “the Battle Master may make this determination may do so using a private method of their choosing” is not grammatical and should be rewritten no matter what.

Josh: he/they

17-10-2023 17:46:59 UTC

@Kevan If my next proposal contains “If this sentence contains two instances of the word ‘squabble’, then the duel Wizard named Josh has achieved Victory” then you’ll know something is up

JonathanDark: he/him

17-10-2023 18:02:11 UTC

@Clucky: it does not suggest the order is a secret, merely that the determination of the order is a secret. The position of the words is what’s important:

“ordered secretly randomly” means the randomly part is secret. This is what I’m suggesting.

“secretly ordered randomly” could be interpreted to mean that the ordered part is secret. That’s not what I’m suggesting.

JonathanDark: he/him

17-10-2023 18:04:18 UTC

Also @Clucky we’ve used this part of the rule in recent dynasties and it was well-understood that it was the determination that was secret, and “secret” was not imparted to the results. If it really becomes a problem, we could always CfJ it for clarity.

Zack: he/him

17-10-2023 18:57:48 UTC

Even if the ordering was secret, the spell ring would be made public anyway when the duel is scheduled.

Zack: he/him

17-10-2023 18:58:13 UTC

Wizard ring*

JonathanDark: he/him

17-10-2023 23:25:31 UTC

for but will probably clean up that wordy part later

Zack: he/him

18-10-2023 05:42:12 UTC

imperial

Snisbo: she/they

18-10-2023 06:45:07 UTC

imperial

Kevan: City he/him

18-10-2023 07:47:02 UTC

for

Vovix: he/him

18-10-2023 08:00:15 UTC

imperial