Tuesday, September 19, 2023

Proposal: Closing the Box

Timed out with more votes FOR than AGAINST, 2-1 with 2 DEFs. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 21 Sep 2023 22:11:55 UTC

In the rule Sports Resolution, rewrite the first sentence to read:

The Bookie may generate the resolution, using their Resolution Method for that sport, to any Sporting Event in advance of the time at which it takes place.

Rewrite the rule Sporting Events to read as follows:

The Sports that can occur as part of a Sporting Event are as follows:
* Nomich
* ClingBoom
* Giolitti
* Blogbots
* Boxing
Each Sport has public elements and secret elements. The public elements that make up each Sport are detailed in subrules to this rule. The subrules to this rule also specify which secret elements are tracked. Secret elements to a sport are kept privately by the Bookie.

As a minimum, a Sport should have the following public elements: a list of potential Participants, a number of Required Participants for a Sporting Event, and a list of Potential Outcomes. A Sport should also have a method of resolution as a secret element, which the Bookie should set once before the first time a Sporting Event involving that Sport is resolved, and then only amend as directed by the ruleset.

Sport Participants may have qualities, which are usually specific to and defined by the respective Sport. When a quality is secret, it is privately tracked by the Bookie. When a quality is public, it is publicly tracked. Whenever a Participant exists who does not have a value for quality required by a Sport for which they are a Potential Participant, then the Bookie should (and must, before resolving any Sporting Event in which that Participant is a Participant), at their first opportunity, generate that quality by any mechanism defined for that quality, or by generating a random legal value if no other mechanism is defined.

Each Participant in each Sport has a public value for Track Record. To initialise a Participant’s Track Record, the Bookie should generate 10 dummy Sporting Events that involve that Participant, and set their Track Record to the number of times in that 10 Sporting Event streak they won. Thereafter, each Participant’s Track Record is increased by 1 every time they win a Sporting Event.

Repeal the subrules Soccer, Bloggsball, and Estate Agent Wrestling. Remove any upcoming Sporting Events that utilise any of these as a Sport. Remove any Bets for any Sporting Events thus removed.

In each of the remaining subrules to the rule Sporting Events, replace the Method of Resolution with the following:

Secret Element: Method of Resolution.

Comments

Lulu: she/her

19-09-2023 12:36:24 UTC

imperial

Bucky:

19-09-2023 14:11:24 UTC

against without a scorecard/hint system. Otherwise, this puts far too much weight on inferring details from squishy flavor text.

Josh: he/they

19-09-2023 14:23:41 UTC

@Bucky I’m not overloading this proposal; if you think this needs more external information I’ll happily see a proposal on the subject. Probably not a hint system but the Track Record idea in this proposal could use further elaboration; I’d be interested in the Odds system being bolstered to be based on data (“The bookie runs 1,000 dummy Events for each Participant…”)

Josh: he/they

19-09-2023 15:00:32 UTC

But bottom line here is, this isn’t supposed to be a computer simulation dynasty; I want you to get as much information about teams in this as you would in any other sport, i.e. the fluffy sports commentary from previous games and the things you can see yourself on the screen.

Bucky:

19-09-2023 15:05:53 UTC

Given the inherent limits on the info content of a results post, making the resolution procedure secret is like betting on games I can’t watch.

Josh: he/they

19-09-2023 15:28:55 UTC

Sure, so I’m challenging you to come up with an information release mechanism which respects the theme - hints isn’t it.

Bucky:

19-09-2023 16:55:03 UTC

What about an expanded scorecard without the hints?

Bucky:

20-09-2023 04:38:37 UTC

I notice this proposal doesn’t allow the Bookie to change Resolution Methods, it just hides the ones that are already there.

JonathanDark: he/him

20-09-2023 05:41:25 UTC

I think it does, except for the fact that “which the Bookie should set once before the first time a Sporting Event involving that Sport is resolved” is meaningless since most of the Sports have already had a Sporting Event. There should probably be a date in there to indicate “first time after XXX date”.

JonathanDark: he/him

20-09-2023 05:42:03 UTC

That said,  imperial and fix later

Josh: he/they

20-09-2023 07:44:19 UTC

I dunno, I think a plain-english read of the ruletext allows me to set the rules once before the first time I have to use them.

Kevan: he/him

20-09-2023 08:25:11 UTC

for

Bucky:

20-09-2023 14:42:11 UTC

On what grounds?

Bucky:

20-09-2023 18:40:14 UTC

If you do end up successfully black-boxing the resolution mechanisms, I don’t expect it to go better than the previous attempts at secret rules.