Thursday, July 29, 2010

Proposal: Compensation for Subversive Rules

s/k. Failed. - lilomar

Adminned at 31 Jul 2010 08:50:41 UTC

If the Proposal titled “How can you have a government without forms?!” failed, this Proposal does nothing.

Create a new Form.  Add the form to the appropriate wiki page.

The title of the form is:  5UBVR7

The description is:

When passed, this Form reverts the changes made in the mentioned Proposal.

The Form’s text is:

Fill out the following form precisely.  Any inaccurate information may invalidate this form.

Your designation:  ___________
The designation of the Citizen who created the Proposal:  ___________
The name of the Proposal in question:  ____________

Please note that any inaccuracies in the name of the Proposal may result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death.

The reason that the rule is subversive to its Officers:  _____________

By writing ‘I agree’ in the following space, you agree that The Computer may send advertising material to your Alpha Complex residence: ____________

Do keep in mind that any response other than ‘I agree’ to the previous question invalidates your request, and is considered treason of the highest regard. 

By signing below, you agree that The Computer will access your credit report, criminal record, the memories of your current and ex-girl/boyfriend, family, and enemies, and the results of your mandatory brain scan which you have consented to in order to get this form to ensure that you actually believe that the rule in question is subversive.

The list of required signatories is:

Two Citizens, one being the primary signatory, must sign this form.  Both citizens must have a Clearance greater than the Clearance of the rule.

The requirement of passage is:

The fifth blank must be replaced only the text ‘I agree’, capitalized in exactly that way.  If it says anything else, the Form is failed immediately by any Citizen, and the author of the post gains 3 Treason points.  The second signature is waived if the primary Signatory is the High Programmer.

If the Proposal in question does not contain the word ‘officer’, the Form can be failed immediately by any Citizen.

The Form is passed after 24 hours unless a Citizen with a Clearance greater than the rule in question posts an against icon in the comments of the Form post.  The Form can be passed immediately if all Citizens with a Clearance greater than the rule in question has signed the form.

This is my fix for the rule creating Officers of rules.  This makes it possible for less than a quorum of Citizens, if they are Officers, to overturn a proposal.

Comments

glopso:

29-07-2010 21:39:15 UTC

for

lilomar:

29-07-2010 21:48:53 UTC

arrow and very much for the concept, but

“the changes made in the mentioned Proposal.”
“have a Clearance greater than the Clearance of the rule.”
“If the Proposal in question does not contain”
“a Citizen with a Clearance greater than the rule in question”

Make up your mind, citizen! against

h2g2guy:

29-07-2010 22:00:11 UTC

I do not mean to undermine your intelligence, oh great High Programmer, but I needed to write it in a way similar to that.  As you know, Proposals can’t have Clearances, and we only want this to be an option for people with a higher clearance than the rule in question.  If you want me to rewrite this, adding a field for the rule that the author of the form thinks is subversive, feel free to procedurally veto and I’ll repropose. (You are permitted 3 proposals in 24 hours if no more than 2 are active at the same time, right?)

Keba:

30-07-2010 00:15:32 UTC

for

Why is “Please note that any inaccuracies in the name of the Proposal may result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death.” written into the form but has no effect according to the “requirement of passage” section?

glopso:

30-07-2010 00:24:22 UTC

Because it isn’t required, but may very well result in your death.

lilomar:

30-07-2010 00:29:58 UTC

The problem, Citizen Hgguy-R, is that the form does not specify WHAT the ‘rule in question’ is.

I would suggest wording along the lines of “Clearance greater than the clearance of any rule which was created or modified by the proposal and contains the word “officer”.”

Hix:

30-07-2010 01:25:44 UTC

against

Darknight: he/him

30-07-2010 02:34:00 UTC

imperial

Put:

30-07-2010 02:54:48 UTC

against As there is no “mentioned proposal” inside the form itself.

Purplebeard:

30-07-2010 08:41:28 UTC

against

Kyre:

30-07-2010 13:29:10 UTC

arrow  for

ais523:

30-07-2010 13:35:51 UTC

against Vague enough that it’s likely to cause rules issues down the line.

Qwazukee:

30-07-2010 13:57:53 UTC

against There’s a word missing somewhere in here: “The fifth blank must be replaced only the text ‘I agree’,”

Kevan: he/him

30-07-2010 14:06:31 UTC

against

90000:

30-07-2010 14:32:32 UTC

for vague enough that it’s likely to cause AWESOME issues down the line you mean

spikebrennan:

30-07-2010 16:20:04 UTC

against

scshunt:

30-07-2010 19:36:21 UTC

against

flurie:

30-07-2010 21:10:08 UTC

against

scshunt:

30-07-2010 23:49:05 UTC

For clarity, the reason I voted against is because it can apply to a proposal passed at /any/ time previous. In my opinion, the idea is good, but should be more limited.

glopso:

31-07-2010 01:32:29 UTC

I now see a portal reference

h2g2guy:

31-07-2010 01:56:26 UTC

Yes you do.

I try to make as many references as possible in anything I do.  In fact, the whole idea of forms came from my favorite alien race in my favorite work of sci-fi of all time, the Vogons.

BTW,  against , s/k.

Keba:

31-07-2010 11:07:14 UTC

You know the Vogons? Well, post a poem and I am sure you will win this dynasty ;)

CoV against, although it does not matter anymore.