Friday, July 26, 2024

Proposal: [Core] Anyone Can Help With The Chores

Quorum Reached. Passes 4-0—Clucky

Adminned at 28 Jul 2024 03:16:51 UTC

In the Core rule “Victory and Ascension”, replace the text starting with “start a new dynasty by completing the following Atomic Action:” and ending with “using the terms defined on the wiki page Imperial Styles.” with the following text:

make an Ascension Address by posting an entry in the “Ascension Address” category. The Ascension Address should specify the Elder Judge’s chosen theme for the new Dynasty, and it may optionally specifiy one or more of the following:
* New dynasty-specific terms as outline in the rule “Synonyms”
* A number of dynastic rules to keep (if none are specifed then the entire Dynastic Ruleset is repealed)
* Any number of Building Blocks rules to remove or insert, as per the instructions in the Building Blocks section
* The name of the gamestate tracking page referred to in the rule “Ruleset and Gamestate” to a different page that does not exist and does not start with the word “Ruleset”
* The Elder Judge’s Imperial Style, which if specified is a set of nonbinding guidelines that the Elder Judge is encouraged to follow, using the terms defined on the wiki page Imperial Styles.

If it has not been done since the most recent posting of an Ascension Address, the Elder Judge or any Fishing Contestant may perform a Dynastic Reset, which is an atomic action with the following steps:
* Update the Ruleset to reflect any changed terms as outlined in the most recent Ascension Address.
* Repeal any dynastic rules which were not listed to be kept in the most recent Ascension Address.
* Update the gamestate tracking page referred to in the rule “Ruleset and Gamestate” with the name specified in the most recent Ascension Address, if any.
* Make any specified or automatic changes to the Building Blocks section of the ruleset as described in the most recent Ascension Address.
* Update the Building Blocks page to reflect any changes to the terms outlined in the rule Synonyms.

In the Core rule “Dynasties”, replace “before an Ascension Address has been posted” with “before a Dynastic Reset has been performed”.

Consider the atomic action Dynastic Reset to have been performed since the most recent Ascension Address.

This change allows the new Emperor to simply post the AA, and then either they or any player can then perform the work of cleaning up for the new dynasty.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

26-07-2024 13:28:52 UTC

We’d want the Interregnum to end when the Reset happened, not when the address was posted. In practice there’s not much at stake in the gap there (whoever won the previous dynasty can win the new one while all the old rules are still up - except they’re probably the Emperor, so can’t) but it would be strange that we could carry on playing the previous dynasty’s mechanics for a while until someone hit the Reset.

And given that this edit leaves the Emperor’s atomic action as:

* Post an Ascension Address blog entry
* Then optionally specify Building Blocks
* Then optionally edit the tracking rule
* Then optionally specify Imperial Style

it’d be neater to roll the two specifyings (where even the current ruleset doesn’t say where to specify them) into the “and it may optionally specify” of the blog post, also ask the Emperor to optionally specify a gamestate tracking title in their post, and have the tracking rule update (if the Emperor specified one) become part of the Reset.

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2024 14:29:42 UTC

Ok, I’ve changed it so that the AA is first, with all of the optional specifyings under it, and the actual updating of everything is in the Dynastic Reset atomic action, which is gated on not having been done since the most recent AA.

With this proposed replacement text, the phrase “Once this Atomic Action has been completed the Interregnum ends and the new dynasty begins.” is gated on the Dynastic Reset being performed.

Kevan: he/him

26-07-2024 14:37:37 UTC

Looks good. The definition of Interregnum (“An Interregnum is the period between dynasties, after a DoV has been enacted and before an Ascension Address has been posted.”) elsewhere in Core also needs to be updated to refer to the Dynastic Reset rather than the Ascension Address.

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2024 14:54:35 UTC

Done!

Clucky: Puzzle Master he/him

26-07-2024 16:23:15 UTC

Do we really need the “the Elder Judge or any Fishing Contestant may perform a Dynastic Reset” part?

To me, its more straight forward if the dynastic reset automatically happens as part of reflecting the new gamestate outline in the AA

That way, if one step gets skipped or another mistake is made (like say someone forgets to copy over a building block) instead of “this action was illegally performed and now we need to undo all of it” we can just update everything to match gamestate

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2024 16:45:17 UTC

Ok, but how would we legally recognize that a dynastic reset has happened if it could happen automatically? Can you come up with the wording that says that the gamestate and ruleset matches the AA? There’s potential for disagreement on what “reflecting the new gamestate outline in the AA”  means.

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2024 16:47:52 UTC

Since the edit window is about to close, I recommend that we go with this for now, and make tweaks to it in another Proposal if it’s desired to have the Dynastic Reset be automatic in response to a changed ruleset, as opposed to the proposed atomic action that has to be performed.

SingularByte: he/him

26-07-2024 18:22:12 UTC

for  but we might also need to allow for emperors to make quick addendums if they realise they forgot something, maybe within the normal 4 hour edit window. I think I’ve seen it happen a few times.

Darknight: he/him

26-07-2024 18:44:03 UTC

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Kevan: he/him

26-07-2024 18:58:10 UTC

Actually this needs another pass for Building Blocks, before the next dynasty; the Building Blocks rule itself says that the Block rules “must then be transcribed faithfully to this section of the ruleset” at the moment that the Ascension Address blog post is made.

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2024 21:18:05 UTC

The good news is that we have until the next dynasty to fix it.

Lukas:

28-07-2024 01:12:48 UTC

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