Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Proposal: Core Fix

Self-killed to be on the safe side, given unexplained concerns which may turn out to be serious. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 17 Jan 2013 10:26:35 UTC

Replace “Each Believer may cast one Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the Official Post that comprises that Votable Matter using a voting icon of FOR, AGAINST, or DEFERENTIAL. Additional voting icons may be permitted in some cases by other rules. A valid Vote is, except when otherwise specified, a Vote of FOR or AGAINST. A Believer’s Vote on a Votable Matter is the last valid voting icon that they have used in any comment on that Votable Matter. Additionally, if the author of a Votable Matter has not used a valid voting icon in a comment to the post, then the author’s Vote is FOR. A non-Believer never has a Vote, even if they were a Believer previously and had cast a valid Vote.” with:-

A Believer’s cast Vote on a Votable Matter is the last valid voting icon that they have used in any comment on that Votable Matter. Valid voting icons are FOR, AGAINST and DEFERENTIAL. If the author of a Votable Matter has not used a valid voting icon in a comment to the post, then the author’s Vote is FOR. A non-Believer never has a Vote, even if they were a Believer previously and had cast a valid Vote.

Replace “When a Believer casts an explicit vote AGAINST their own Proposal, this renders the Proposal Self-Killed, even if the author later changes their Vote. The Auspex may use VETO as a voting icon to cast a Vote on a proposal; when the Auspex casts a vote of VETO on a Proposal, this renders the Proposal Vetoed, even if the Auspex later changes their Vote. ” with:-

If a Believer’s vote on their own Proposal is AGAINST, this renders the Proposal Self-Killed, even if the author later changes their Vote. VETO is a valid voting icon only available to the Auspex. If the Auspex’s Vote on a Proposal is VETO, this renders the Proposal Vetoed, even if the Auspex later changes their Vote.

Replace “If a Believer other than the Auspex casts a vote of DEFERENTIAL on a Proposal, then the Vote of DEFERENTIAL is an indication of confidence in the Auspex.” with:-

A Vote of DEFERENTIAL may be used to defer to the Auspex.

Addressing a minor core rule problem mentioned on the laundry list; the current voting system gets unnecessarily blurry when an idle player makes a vote-icon comment and then unidles (“the last valid voting icon that they have used” means that the vote is counted, yet this vote was never “cast”).

Comments from idle players welcome.

Comments

Cpt_Koen:

01-15-2013 17:25:22 UTC

“A Believer’s cast Vote on a Votable Matter is the last valid voting icon that they have used in any comment on that Votable Matter.”

Couldn’t that be interpreted as “A Believer may choose any comment they made to a Vottable Matter, and their cast Vote is the last valid voting icon of that comment.”?

Kevan: HE/HIM

01-15-2013 18:10:35 UTC

Good point, “in their most recent comment” would be better, I’ll patch that if this passes. (The “used in any comment” phrase is also present in the existing rule.)

robo1995:

01-16-2013 02:48:08 UTC

for

Larrytheturtle:

01-16-2013 04:01:13 UTC

for

thingnumber2:

01-16-2013 13:35:25 UTC

against

RaichuKFM:

01-16-2013 20:35:25 UTC

for

scshunt:

01-17-2013 04:18:14 UTC

against since it removes the definition of a valid vote.

quirck: HE/HIM

01-17-2013 06:21:25 UTC

against per scshunt

Kevan: HE/HIM

01-17-2013 09:40:34 UTC

[scshunt] Huh, I’d actually never noticed that we did an odd little dance of saying that a DEF vote was “invalid” until it turned into a FOR vote and became “valid”.

Does it actually break anything to use the standard English interpretation of “valid vote” as “a vote which is valid”, and to count DEFs and VETOs as “valid”? I only see three instances where we actually use the term “valid vote”:-

1.4.2: “more than 1 valid Vote cast on it, more valid Votes cast on it are FOR than are AGAINST”, but this is is unaffected by DEFs or VETOs being counted as valid.

1.5: “even if they were a Believer previously and had cast a valid Vote” is unaffected.

1.7: “more than half of its valid Votes are FOR” makes a very small difference in that voting DEF on a DoV is effectively counted as an AGAINST rather than ignored.

And that’s it.

Josh: HE/HIM

01-17-2013 12:20:16 UTC

Yes, I would assume that “A Believer’s cast Vote on a Votable Matter is the last valid voting icon” is an implicit definition for “valid vote”.

Kevan: HE/HIM

01-17-2013 18:25:20 UTC

against Self-kill to let this slide, given that two players think that removing a definition may be a problem and it may be serious. Since it needs a patch anyway I’ll repropose it some time.