Wednesday, July 05, 2017

Proposal: [Core] Tohu va vohu

Self-killed. Failed by card.

Adminned at 07 Jul 2017 04:25:06 UTC

Add a new rule, “Void”:

A top-level dynastic rule is a rule whose number is of the form 2.N, where N is a single number; for the purposes of this rule, it is referred to as “Rule N”.

As a daily communal action, if there are no pending CfJs, an explorer may, as an atomic action:
* Roll a DICEX in the GNDT, where X is the number of top-level dynastic rules. Call the result of this roll Y.
* If Rule Y is not a protected rule, repeal it. If Rule Y is a protected rule, go back to the first step and roll again.

If this action would be performed, and the only rules are protected, instead:
* Any Expedition Leader is no longer an Expedition Leader.
* Replace all instances of “Explorer” in the Ruleset with “Formless” and all instances of “Expedition Leader” in the Ruleset with “Formleast”.
* Repeal this rule.

Protected rules are this rule, “Combos”, “Tags”, “Unmasked”, and “Eternal Torment”.

Kevan’s ritual failed to secure victory, but succeeded to capture the displeased attention of certain nullifying Ancients.

Comments

Madrid:

05-07-2017 23:13:14 UTC

Thematically, I love it. But a roll a day could be too quick, especially if CFJs and such get involved to figure out what’s going on.

Also, protect “Unmasked”.

pokes:

05-07-2017 23:18:52 UTC

Edited to say “if there are no pending CfJs”, that way it’s throttled by amount of general confusion but can proceed at a decent clip if everyone’s on the same page.

“Unmasked” won’t trigger if we get to the end this way. I figure if we ask politely, Sphinx would post it anyway. Or we can make it a rule in the next Dynasty if not.

Madrid:

05-07-2017 23:35:06 UTC

...I don’t see how your argument is somehow better than just keeping the rule.

Having it deleted, then needing to ask/make a rule all over again seems more clumsy than having it clean-cut through a rule.

Also, protect “Tags”, please.

pokes:

05-07-2017 23:46:44 UTC

Alright, you got it. Unmasked and Tags are in.

Madrid:

05-07-2017 23:59:14 UTC

Ok, looking better, but it still needs adjustments to keep “Unmasked” working as per the flaws that you have pointed out (Expedition Leader stops being Expedition Leader and all that).

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:08:17 UTC

I dunno, Sphinx can chime in, but it seems like posting it anyway is a reasonable thing to do if we ask nice.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:15:31 UTC

I know. But I’m still suspicious as to why you seem to trying to dodge it (why add it as a protected tag but then not fix the flaws that you’ve pointed out yourself?).

Also, it’s possible to tactically CFJ to stop the doomsday clock.

against but I’d vote greentick for a fixed version.

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:18:50 UTC

Why would I be trying to dodge it?

And who is most likely to tactically stop the doomsday clock with CfJs? Can they?

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:28:05 UTC

I don’t know, but why would you add it as a protected Rule but not fix the Emperor stuff (that you pointed out yourself) which would make it work in the first place? You seemed to agree with me with that it should be fixed, with “Alright, you got it. Unmasked and Tags are in.”. But you didn’t fix it.

Normally, if it were all clean-cut, I wouldn’t mind, but I find that kind of maneuvering to be suspicious. I won’t accuse you of what specifically, of course. That would be too severe, and I have no proof.

But I will point to the dancing around right there, which I find suspicious in itself.

As for the CFJs, me, quite likely lol, but I can’t CFJ. But that aside, it’s easy to lie and try to slide one in (when have people been completely honest about anything when it comes to trying to pull a fast one here?)

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:33:33 UTC

I won’t accuse you of what specifically, of course -> I won’t accuse you of why* specifically, of course

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:34:11 UTC

I just prefer erring on the side of simpler rules and couldn’t think of a way to fix it that would justify the extra word count.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:38:41 UTC

OK. Then what’s the point of “Any Expedition Leader is no longer an Expedition Leader”?

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:41:16 UTC

To make it explicitly a Metadynasty if all the rules are gone

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:42:32 UTC

...That’s new and good to know lol. Why a Metadynasty though?

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:44:19 UTC

If all the rules are gone, it seems like a natural “this dynasty is over and nobody won” condition.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 00:47:08 UTC

I’m not buying it, sorry. It seems to me that since your heist with Kevan (and some other conspirator, given the Artefact count) didn’t work and you’re now in a very bad position and you want to cancel the Dynasty, as well as cover your tracks.

pokes:

06-07-2017 00:58:33 UTC

What tracks do I have to cover, exactly? That I’m a cultist? No kidding. I was found with an artefact. What motive would I have to cover that up now, much less after the Dynasty is over?

Madrid:

06-07-2017 01:03:01 UTC

Again, I have no idea. It’s just the dancing that got me, but that might’ve been just been your nervousness with the whole “cancel the dynasty” thing going on, perhaps.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 01:16:38 UTC

Ah, wait, no, your dancing makes perfect sense lol. Of course you wouldn’t fix the Emperor thing, but not because of the “Unmasked” rule getting repealed, but because removing it would mean that you wouldn’t get the dynasty cancelled.

pokes:

06-07-2017 01:21:01 UTC

Why would I want the dynasty ‘cancelled’? There’s no huge functional difference between finishing the rule destruction with a Metadynasty or with Sphinx as emperor. Both would have no rules. One would go down in history as “the First Dynasty of Sphinx” followed by “the Nth Metadynasty”, and the other would just have the Sphinx Dynasty.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 01:30:07 UTC

(I need to go to sleep, its very late here in Europe, but I’ll be available tomorrow and give proper replies.)

For now: Remove your currently could-be-percieved-to-be unfavorable position, I suspect.

Madrid:

06-07-2017 01:33:12 UTC

(Or removing “Unmasked”, which is still a topic but eh, we already know each other’s position on that lol.)

card:

06-07-2017 03:36:19 UTC

against

card:

06-07-2017 03:37:16 UTC

Discourages people to make new “top level” rules. Also note that 2.1 is a single number.

Kevan: he/him

06-07-2017 09:02:02 UTC

against

Sphinx:

06-07-2017 12:18:36 UTC

against

I think it’s too extreme

Axemabaro:

06-07-2017 13:06:43 UTC

against

pokes:

06-07-2017 15:10:55 UTC

against

Cpt_Koen:

06-07-2017 17:44:44 UTC

against

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

06-07-2017 23:15:44 UTC

against