Tuesday, June 02, 2020

Proposal: Corruption

Timed out 3 votes to 6 with 1 DEF. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 04 Jun 2020 15:06:03 UTC

Add to the Dynastic Rules:

Corruption: an Amnesiac that starts their proposal with the words “It’s an offer you can’t refuse”, the Corruptor, will subtract X points for every FOR vote to that proposal. Every Amnesiac that votes FOR to that proposal gains X points. The Corruption happens even if the proposal is self-killed, fails etc. It happens also if the proposal is invalid, with the exception of Bankrupt below.
X must be specified in the proposal and must be an integer greater than zero and not greater then the Wager size of the Corruptor. If X is unspecified or is invalid, it will be the greatest number possible, according to the Ruleset.
An Amnesiac can’t be a Corruptor if (P - N*X) is less than -10, where P is the number of points of the aspirant Corruptor and N is the number of the active Amnesiacs at the moment of the proposal publication. This case is called Bankrupt. Any point changes applied must be invalidated, and the proposal is invalid.

Oil the Wheel.

Comments

Josh: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:05:10 UTC

I’d suggest changing PRO to FOR; PRO doesn’t mean anything in the ruleset.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

06-02-2020 15:17:21 UTC

What would the incentive be for creating such a proposal?

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:18:05 UTC

Uuuh thank you!

PS: In the back, I hope this proposal will NOT pass… X-D

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:19:45 UTC

@Publius: we can talk about it…. X-D

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:25:01 UTC

Anyway, think about this: this could be the first case in which the corruption is manifestly legal, and well defined by Law.

Clucky: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:27:28 UTC

against

Generally not a fan of rewarding players for FOR votes. Especially the way this one is done, where people can still be rewarded for voting FOR bad proposals which at worst gives an advantage to active people and enacting admins who can switch their votes right before it passes and at worst will result in bad proposals passing.

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:31:27 UTC

@Clucky “at worst will result in bad proposals passing” Yes, this is why is called Corruption :D

“can switch their votes right before it passes” Of course. You can’t trust a corrupted man :P

Clucky: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:37:04 UTC

bad proposals passing is not a good thing

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 15:41:21 UTC

@Clucky: of course not! But hey, this is how it works in the real world. And I suppose it will be increase the fun of the game a lot X-D

Kevan: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 15:43:46 UTC

The timing is unclear here: when do the points change hands, and who has to update that?

If I vote 10 times on the same proposal, do I keep getting points? (The Corruptor maybe stops being the Corruptor when they run out of points, but I think I can still keep claiming points from it, as the “gains X points” aren’t specifically originating from anywhere.)

against

[Clucky] Bad proposals potentially passing can be a fun bit of gameplay: if it made any sense to post a Corrupt proposal of “Kevan wins”, it’s a game of chicken to claim the FOR points without being the last person to tip the proposal over into passing. That kind of nonsense seems okay in a metadynasty.

pokes:

06-02-2020 15:48:18 UTC

I foresee this mostly being used as a mechanism for transferring points to pool them to bring a cabal to victory.

This kind of thing would typically refer to EVCs instead of Votes, as I could vote FOR, then change my vote to AGAINST, and then still get my points.

against per Clucky anyway

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 16:01:37 UTC

@pokes: “I foresee this mostly being used as a mechanism for transferring points to pool them to bring a cabal to victory.” And this is quite desiderable in a corrupted system X-D

@Kevan:
“when do the points change hands”
point changes are applied immediately.

“who has to update that”
No other rules states who change the points.

“If I vote 10 times on the same proposal, do I keep getting points?”
I don’t know if this is legal. If yes, well, yep, there’s a bug. But hey, it’s a corruption law. He deserves to be manipulated X-D

“The Corruptor maybe stops being the Corruptor when they run out of points”
Nope. The corruptor can go negative and contract debts. There’s another cap, read the Bankrupt rule :)

Axemabaro:

06-02-2020 16:20:43 UTC

against

Kevan: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 16:27:02 UTC

[Marco] Who updates automatic effects is something that BlogNomic can often be a bit careless about, but I think the other rules are clear enough right now: “an Amnesiac may Spin The Wheel [and] apply the Payout of the Segment with Index corresponding to the die roll, to every Amnesiac with that Segment in their Wager” tells us that the player who rolled the Wheel also updates the Points, right away.

“the Corruptor, will subtract X points for every FOR vote to that proposal. Every Amnesiac that votes FOR to that proposal gains X points.” is less clear. I guess the second part means that when I cast a FOR vote I can immediately give myself X points. I can’t reduce the Corruptor’s points, though, because the rule says that they “will” do it.

And ah, okay, bankcrupting the Corruptor destroys the proposal and reverses all the points gained and lost, I missed that. So a vote-10-times scam fails once it’s bankcrupted the Corruptor (or someone else chooses to bankcrupt them), but only when the Corruptor has actually subtracted those points.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

06-02-2020 16:31:35 UTC

against

derrick: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 19:02:40 UTC

for

You know what? I don’t think this is a good mechanism for cabals. I think this would be hilarious to watch.

Jumble:

06-02-2020 19:28:41 UTC

against

Clucky: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 19:49:41 UTC

bad proposals do not make the game more fun

if a proposal made the game more fun, people would vote for it

Josh: HE/HIM

06-02-2020 21:21:24 UTC

for

Marco Sulla:

06-02-2020 22:37:02 UTC

@derrick: ahahahahh that’s exactly why I proposed it. And I had fun only for proposing this rule X-D

ayesdeeef:

06-02-2020 22:54:48 UTC

against

Darknight: HE/HIM

06-03-2020 13:42:08 UTC

imperial