Monday, February 06, 2017

Proposal: Death Paradox

Failed 3 votes to 5, fewer than a quorum not voting against. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 08 Feb 2017 10:47:42 UTC

In the sub-rule Death under the rule Diseases, change:

A Dead Villager who is not the Doctor may not take actions defined by dynastic rules, except those in the rule “Spectral Actions”.


A Dead Villager who is not the Doctor may not take actions defined by dynastic rules, except this rule and those in the rule “Spectral Actions”.

The sub-rule Death is a dynastic rule. If a dead villager cannot take actions from dynastic rules, he cannot follow the Death rule (where abiding is an action). This fix should hopefully remedy the paradox though a CfJ might be more appropriate.



02-06-2017 18:22:35 UTC


Kevan: HE/HIM

02-06-2017 18:24:17 UTC

I know we don’t define what “taking an action” means, but I wouldn’t have thought that quietly obeying a “must not do X” rule (or being passively affected by an “if you’re X, then you’re Y” one) implied taking an action, in common English usage.


02-06-2017 18:26:03 UTC


Kevan: HE/HIM

02-07-2017 10:47:14 UTC

against Can’t see that this is needed.


02-07-2017 11:09:43 UTC

Oh, very nice find.  for

@Kevan: It could be used as a tool/support for other exploits.

Also, ty for the explanation before about new vs old players (couldn’t reply, the post is comment-closed now), I get it now.

derrick: HE/HIM

02-07-2017 14:51:30 UTC


Kevan: HE/HIM

02-07-2017 18:55:45 UTC

If a majority of players genuinely believe that sentences like “A Villager who is exhibiting the symptom of Death is considered to be Dead.” are “actions”, then this needs a much bigger fix, as the “may not take actions” Death rule would also mean that dead Villagers don’t have Locations (“Each Villager has a Location” is an action?), can’t win (“the Villager with the most Memento Mori is Remembered” is an action?), aren’t dead (“Each Villager exhibits zero or more Symptoms” is an action?), etc.

I don’t see how any of these things could reasonably be considered “actions”, though.

quirck: HE/HIM

02-07-2017 20:05:21 UTC

against per Kevan


02-07-2017 21:34:33 UTC

against Thirding “not doing something” not being “taking an action”

derrick: HE/HIM

02-07-2017 22:08:54 UTC

There are no actions in the section “Death”, but there may be in the future.


02-07-2017 22:38:05 UTC

*cough* it’s not an action to not take an action. Does seem to set a bad precedent. I’ve become convinced


02-07-2017 22:57:44 UTC