Tuesday, May 22, 2018

Proposal: Defer

self killed failed by card

Adminned at 23 May 2018 22:54:31 UTC

Add a new rule to the Special Case rules titled “Emperor’s Vizier” with the text

If the last vote cast by the Narrator is DEFERENTIAL on a votable matter the following list determines what type of vote has been cast:
*If the number of DEFERENTIAL votes cast by non-Narrators equals or exceeds half of the votes on the votable matter, the Narrator is considered to have not cast a vote on this particular matter.
*If the Narrator’s vote is the only one cast on the votable matter it is considered a vote of AGAINST.
*Otherwise the Narrator’s vote is taken as the majority of valid AGAINST or FOR votes that are currently cast on the votable matter.

Kevan likes to use this a lot so why not just leave it in the ruleset and let it be turned off if other Emperors don’t like it

Comments

Kevan: he/him

22-05-2018 18:51:37 UTC

Not sure I follow the first bullet point here - it’s for cases where there are more FOR/AGA votes than DEF votes? Why would we want the Emperor’s DEF to switch off at that point?

For what it’s worth, past dynasties have used eg. “If the Doctor has voted DEFERENTIAL on a proposal, that vote is instead considered to be valid and either FOR (if more players have voted FOR the proposal than have voted AGAINST it) or AGAINST (in all other cases).” - which I think cascades out correctly if the proposal has a mix of FOR, AGA and DEF.

Madrid:

22-05-2018 18:54:26 UTC

We can probably remove the second point. If non-Emperor people don’t care enough to vote at that point, might as let the proposer do what they want and just get a new dynasty sooner.

card:

22-05-2018 21:11:59 UTC

{Kevan} my mistake, I meant if the number of DEFs exceeds half of the votes and have changed that accordingly.

{Cuddlebeam} I’d rather err on the side of caution

Madrid:

22-05-2018 22:02:58 UTC

Shrug, good enough I guess.

Corona:

23-05-2018 04:22:44 UTC

imperial

Kevan: he/him

23-05-2018 10:39:48 UTC

Afraid I still don’t understand the need for the first bullet point here. If a proposal has 3 FOR, 1 AGA and 4 DEF, why wouldn’t we want the Emperor’s DEF vote to convert that into 8 FOR, 1 AGA? Having the Emperor DEF ignored just means it’d time out at 3-1, to the same end.

(This should probably also enter the ruleset Inactive, as it would interact a little weirdly with the Captain deferential proposed by A Broad Bright Coin.)

against

Brendan: he/him

23-05-2018 14:41:17 UTC

against

derrick: he/him

23-05-2018 16:19:23 UTC

against

card:

23-05-2018 22:54:06 UTC

against