Wednesday, December 06, 2023

Proposal: Detangling the Tyngwall

Timed out 3-1 with 1 DEF. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 08 Dec 2023 04:45:31 UTC

Add the following to “Business”

Additionally, Existing Business has Status which can either be Wildly Unpopular, Unpopular, Somewhat Unpopular, Neutral, Somewhat Popular, Popular or Wildly Popular and by default is Neutral. When an Agenda is created, the Status for each piece of existing business should be randomly determined by whoever creates the Agenda.

remove “For each piece of Existing Business, how many non-Heir Parliamentarians support it and how many oppose it;” from “Tyngwall”

In “Tyngwall” replace “The Tyngwall is made up of 120 Parliamentarians. The criteria to be a Parliamentarian are as follows” with

The Tyngwall is made up of Parliamentarians. The criteria for an Heir to be a Parliamentarian are as follows:

In the same rule replace “any Heir who is also a Parliamentarian may respond to it indicating their support or opposition to any Existing Business” with

any Heir who is also a Parliamentarian may respond to it indicating their support (using a FOR voting icon) or opposition (using an AGAINST voting icon) to any Existing Business

In “Resolving a meeting” add

To determine if more Parliamentarians support or oppose a piece of Existing Business, calculate the number of Parliamentarians who are Heirs and expressed support to the piece of Existing Business in the meeting post. If the Existing Business is Somewhat Popular, add 1 to this total. If it is Popular, add 3 and if it is Wildy Popular Add 5. This is it’s Total Support. Then calculate the number of Parliamentarians who are Heirs and expressed opposition to the piece of Existing Business in the meeting post. If the Existing Business is Somewhat Unpopular, add 1 to this total. If it is Unpopular, add 3 and if it is Wildy Unpopular Add 5. This is it’s Total Opposition. Finally, compare the Total Support against the Total Opposition—if it is higher, more Parliamentarians support it. Otherwise, more Parliamentarians oppose it.

It was pointed out that right now, the status of parliament can change after the support threshold has been revealed. There also are concerns around non-heirs being able to actually meet the requirements to be a Parliamentarian

So thinking we should just remove the 120 threshold and instead just have it so that some issues need to overcome a 5 vote threshold, some 3, some 1, some are flat, and then others start off with 1/3/5 votes of support.

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

06-12-2023 01:06:45 UTC

” the number of Parliamentarians who are Heirs” - isn’t that all of the Parliamentarians, now that you’ve gotten rid of the 120 others? Heirs who meet the Criteria are Parliamentarians, so every Parliamentarian is an Heir (but obviously not the reverse).

Clucky: he/him

06-12-2023 01:29:48 UTC

“All Parliamentarians in the Tyngwall who are not Heirs may be assumed to be other minor Barons and landholders in the Kingdom” still implies others can be Parliamentarians

Josh: Observer he/they

06-12-2023 11:41:17 UTC

As a non-Parliamentarian I’d prefer to liberalise the entry criteria before making being a Parliamentarian massively more powerful.  against

JonathanDark: he/him

06-12-2023 16:28:39 UTC

I’m taking the opposite approach. There’s been little interest in allowing more Heirs to be Parliamentarians. This will make the issue more important to tackle.

  for

Kevan: he/him

06-12-2023 17:43:27 UTC

against

SingularByte: he/him

07-12-2023 07:07:30 UTC

imperial

Desertfrog:

07-12-2023 17:27:18 UTC

for