Thursday, February 24, 2022

Call for Judgment: Disorder of Operations

Quorum Reached. Passes 6-0—Clucky

Adminned at 24 Feb 2022 07:11:49 UTC

Consider the series of the player Brendan’s actions immediately preceding the player Brendan’s most recent Declaration of Victory, as performed within the last hour, to have been legally performed before that Declaration of Victory was posted. If that Declaration of Victory has failed, then consider it to have been enacted.

I realize this is a tall ask but I am asking it anyway.

I had made all the edits to the wiki page—spending my deed, creating the building, occupying it, and undertaking the atomic action—and double-checked everything to make sure it was correct… and then, upon hitting submit and seeing the page load, I made my DoV. I didn’t realize until after making said DoV that the wiki had rejected my edit in favor of someone else’s simultaneous move. The resulting conflict is obvious.

I realize BlogNomic is a game of technicalities. I also think the scam here is a decent one, and I don’t think the vagaries of web server response timing should be the reason that a series of otherwise legal moves falls apart. If the timing issue is the only thing sticking in your craw, and you think the scam is valid, here’s your opportunity to rectify it. Otherwise, we wait for hiatus to time out, and probably Josh just pulls the same thing in the right order this time.


Snisbo: she/they

24-02-2022 01:10:21 UTC

Only concern is what happens if the DoV passes before this, but yes, I would vote in favor; server issues aren’t on you and the scam was fun.

Clucky: he/him

24-02-2022 01:14:10 UTC


As someone who has bottled a few victory attempts at the very end its always an incredibly shitty feeling. Especially here when it’s an honest, understandable mistake

plus the fact that we just had a proposal with a relatively obvious scam attempt pushed through with zero opposition to it kinda makes me feel ending things isn’t a bad idea

Lulu: she/her

24-02-2022 01:23:06 UTC


Snisbo: she/they

24-02-2022 01:24:20 UTC



24-02-2022 01:26:16 UTC

“immediately preceding the player Brendan’s most recent Declaration of Victory”

I’m confused. Wasn’t the point that you took the actions *after* your DoV, not preceding it?


24-02-2022 01:28:18 UTC



24-02-2022 01:30:17 UTC

Bigger issue: if a DoV is “enacted”, the mantle passes, but I don’t expect “considering it to have been enacted” to have the same effect.

Brendan: he/him

24-02-2022 01:30:56 UTC

(“Preceding” in order of operations, rather than strictly in time, was the intent of the word there.)


24-02-2022 01:31:03 UTC

BUUUUT that’s too small a technicality, even for me.

Snisbo: she/they

24-02-2022 01:31:13 UTC

I think that refers to the actions that led to the DoV, not the ones preceding it chronologically. Usually that would be the same thing, but the timeline is f u n k y

Snisbo: she/they

24-02-2022 01:31:40 UTC

Oh lol Brendan said the same thing while I was typing that

Snisbo: she/they

24-02-2022 01:32:30 UTC

Also in terms of mantle passing, the solution is simple: we just make sure this passes before the DoV is enacted or failed

Josh: he/they

24-02-2022 07:04:58 UTC