Wednesday, June 03, 2020

Ditziness

Is there a ruleset reason why the Global Effect of Ditzy was skipped during today’s Spin?

[edit: Never mind, I see what happened now.]

Comments

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-06-2020 10:33:13 UTC

No that I can tell, I believe that it should have been implemented, which would complicate your enacting of Yoink!

Kevan: he/him

03-06-2020 11:34:05 UTC

I don’t think it changes anything, does it? If Axemabaro didn’t perform all the steps of the atomic action then we’re just waiting for them to do that, and the remaining steps seem unaffected by the Yoink changes.

Kevan: he/him

03-06-2020 11:43:32 UTC

Although ironically now that “No No Limits” has enacted, it means that Axemabaro won’t get any payout from Ditzy.

Josh: Observer he/they

03-06-2020 12:01:22 UTC

On the subject of Yoink, is there a reason why Power and Defence were initialised at 0, when the rule sets defaults of 1 and 2 respectively?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-06-2020 12:04:12 UTC

[Kevan] My understanding was that enacting a rule qualified as an action, therefore preventing it from occurring as long as other actions were underway.

[Josh] I don’t think that defaults are necessarily the same as starting values.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-06-2020 12:05:08 UTC

Thinking more about it, if you’ve found an optimal Wager, making the Spin take a long time would be a good scam to prevent the change of wagers between spins.

Kevan: he/him

03-06-2020 12:05:50 UTC

[Josh] Unintentional, I missed that clause. Haven’t got time to check the ruleset right now but feel free to correct.

Kevan: he/him

03-06-2020 14:00:18 UTC

Ah, okay, looking at it now, I see the gap you’re looking at.

We’ve certainly said “X is a number defaulting to Y” a lot in the past, usually zero, and I think the precedent is that “default” and “starting” are plain English synonyms. (Picking up a random dictionary, I get “the thing that exists or happens if you do not change it intentionally by performing an action”: if an undefined thing starts existing, it comes into being with default properties.)

I think the ruleset implies as much by saying “that starting value is the nearest legal value to zero that it may take (for numerical variables, defaulting to positive if tied)”.

It’s worth having your proposal to clarify, but I think weight of precendent and the unlikeliness of any counterobjections from players who anticipated zeroes means we should update the gamestate to 1s and 2s. I’ll do that now.

Marco Sulla:

03-06-2020 15:09:29 UTC

Well, as I said on Slack, betting on Ditzy is quite useless.

Kevan: he/him

03-06-2020 15:49:51 UTC

Marco also pointed out on Slack that the Ditzy payout is equal to the Wager cost (which I hadn’t noticed was also missing), so this was all fine and the atomic was completed. Carry on.

Clucky: he/him

03-06-2020 18:32:56 UTC

Right. Ditzy’s global effect basically means “no one spends their wager” in a roundabout manner