Thursday, May 16, 2024

Proposal: Financial Planner

Withdrawn. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 17 May 2024 17:38:41 UTC

Add a new rule named “Retirement” with the following text:

Each Thief has a Retirement, which is privately tracked by the City and defaults to empty. A Thief with an empty Retirement cannot achieve victory.

As a Street Action, a Thief can privately communicate a new Retirement to the City. A Thief’s Retirement, when not empty, must contain all of the following at the time that it is communicated to the City:
* The text “Combined Florins and Pouch Values greater than:” followed by an amount equal to this Thief’s current Florins and Pouch Values combined plus 50
* The text “Have in Inventory:” followed by one or more unique types of Possessions (not counting Pouches) with static Values, in which those Possession types have a combined Value of at least 10 and this Thief has none of those types currently in their inventory
* The text “Notoriety less than:” followed by an amount equal to this Thief’s current Notoriety minus 10

At any time, a Thief can privately communicate to the City a request to get the contents of their Retirement, and the City should privately respond at their earliest convenience with the contents of that Thief’s Retirement.

A Thief may Retire by making a blog post with the Story Post category and the text “Retiring” somewhere in the post title, and in the body of the post the contents of their current Retirement as tracked by the City. A Thief who has Retired has achieved victory if the contents of their posted Retirement, when treated as criteria, are all true for that Thief at the date and time that the post was made.


In the subrule “Containers”, add the following text:

At any time, a Thief may privately communicate to the City a request to get the Values of all of their Pouches, and the City should privately respond at their earliest convenience with each Pouch by name in that Thief’s inventory and that Pouch’s associated Value.

To win, you don’t have to have the most amount of Florins, but you need to try to reach more Florins/Pouch Values than you have right now, plus specific Possessions and less Notoriety.

It’s a nice balancing act, because while you could just get Possessions from the Black Market, you’ll lose Florins and gain Notoriety, which pushes you further away from your Retirement goals. You have to continue to cooperate with your fellow Thieves to get what you want.

This also makes it less of a good strategy to put a Thief in Gaol just to block their victory, because they’ll get either get closer to their Notoriety goal during that time or get more breathing room to gain Notoriety in pursuit of their other goals when they get out.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

16-05-2024 13:21:28 UTC

Not sure we need all the back-and-forth paperwork here, seems like it would do the job to have a rule of “If a Thief’s Notoriety is at least 10 lower than it was at midnight on May 16 and their Florin total is at least 50 higher and…” where I announce that person as the winner when I see it.

What happens if two Thieves reach their retirement goals during the same Haul split?

The stuff about requesting private information from the Emperor should already be covered by “If a Thief should already know such a piece of information…” in the appendices.

JonathanDark: he/him

16-05-2024 13:33:18 UTC

True, but the Possession bit is important, I think. It shouldn’t be as easy as “Any Possessions totaling at least 10 in value”. Having to name specific ones makes it more of a game to get the right Possessions rather than any of them.

If others disagree and would prefer to simply have a Value total of Possessions, or a specific number greater than what you have now, as part of the winning criteria, I’m happy to change this to something simpler.

Kevan: he/him

16-05-2024 13:58:56 UTC

Ah, my mistake, I read the two “increase/decrease this number by X” bullets and assumed the third was along the same lines.

JonathanDark: he/him

16-05-2024 14:27:46 UTC

That said, I’m not opposed to making this simpler. Since the Possessions part is the outlier, I could remove the rest and make most of it the “Is higher/lower than it was at XXX date” suggestion, and the Retirement part becomes just the list of Possessions desired.

Clucky: he/him

16-05-2024 15:13:41 UTC

Making it so that the dynasty up until now doesn’t really matter at all feels really weird to me

Feel like this will reward 4st the most, as they have spent the least Notoriety so will probably have the most freedom when it comes to getting the 66 extra Florins needed to gain 50 and then buy a ring and a candlestick from the black market.

JonathanDark: he/him

16-05-2024 15:42:59 UTC

It’s interesting that you actually made two conflicting statements: that the dynasty up until now doesn’t really matter, and that 4st has the most benefit from the least Notoriety, which means that Notoriety gain up to now has mattered.

I’m not married to this idea, but I think we do need a milestone for determining the wincon that doesn’t strictly rely on “most Florins”. Maybe a mash-up that is Most Florins, Least Notoriety, and X Possessions?

Clucky: he/him

16-05-2024 19:21:58 UTC

Kevan: he/him

17-05-2024 08:43:07 UTC

imperial

Nad: he/him

17-05-2024 11:49:17 UTC

against

JonathanDark: he/him

17-05-2024 13:59:59 UTC

against Withdrawn