Thursday, December 07, 2023

Proposal: Forgotten Duchies

Timed out, 3-2 with 1 DEF. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 09 Dec 2023 20:17:17 UTC

Create a rule called “Duchies”, with the following text:

There exists a kind of claim known as a Duchy, representing major titles held in the history of the kingdom that later became defunct. As an Act of Subterfuge, an Heir may take the Forge Claim atomic action, which has the following steps:
* Add a new Claim to the Claims in the rule Claims with a name that starts with “Duchy of “.
* Set the Type to Standard (Duchy), the Strength to 0, and the disown list to blank.
* Set the Condition to “Be the Palatine of the Estate which has a name of ‘X’”, replacing X with the name of any estate you are the Palatine of and which has a Prestige of 10 or greater. (Where that Estate name is held within that condition, it is not permitted to be interpreted as anything other than an Estate name.)
* Reduce your Reputation by 12.

When a Duchy claim has an Heir added to its Disown list, if that Heir is the Palatine of the Estate named in its Condition, the Heir with the highest reputation becomes the Palatine of that Estate. (In the case of a tie, the age of those Heirs should act as a tie-breaker, with the older Heir getting the Estate. If that still results in a Tie, the Old King becomes the Palatine of that Estate.)

In the rule Claims, replace the line “a type (Minor, Irremediable, or Standard, defaulting to Standard)” with

a type (Minor, Irremediable, or Standard, defaulting to Standard), and optionally a Subtype of Duchy.

Add the following bullet point to the Appraise any Claim action in the rule Claims

* If the Claim is a Duchy and no Heirs currently hold that Claim, remove it from the subrules of Claims.

This is intended to be a potential win condition in the sense that it’s a claim that only one person can hold at any one time, making it the perfect target for influencing to be stronger. The downside of course is that you’re starting from a very low value, and it’s more vulnerable to being lost than most claims.


Kevan: he/him

07-12-2023 09:13:39 UTC


Kevan: he/him

07-12-2023 09:15:46 UTC

Oh, apologies for the early vote there, the current slowness of the queue must have made it feel like all the current proposals were old ones. I guess that means banner blindness has already kicked in on the edit window warning.

Clucky: he/him

07-12-2023 18:04:17 UTC

I think there is a good core idea here, but I worry this might be a bit too expensive. Its quite a challenge (right now, just requiring luck) even to get a estate with a Prestige of 10. And then losing 12 reputation is a pretty big setback. Plus its not too hard for a majority of other players to just disown you from your own estate and you wasted all prestige basically for nothing


08-12-2023 15:29:42 UTC

against I don’t think we need another luck-based condition

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

08-12-2023 15:50:15 UTC

against Agreed with Forest

Clucky: he/him

09-12-2023 01:33:16 UTC

for I think there is enough merit here that why not


09-12-2023 08:17:34 UTC